Complexity is the observation of relationships within relationships...all of which reflects back to the nature of the universe being complex. As such the universe may be defined as biological is biology, and all that results from it, is complexity.popeye1945 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 12:02 amConcept is the formation of a complex idea. No one I think is denying the complexity of our biological nature.Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 8:25 pmConcept is awareness. The question is "what is awareness?" From an empirical perspective, not that things can be limited to the empirical, all consciousness is a result of atoms interacting and in these respects consciousness is founded upon the atom. This in turn necessitates consciousness as beyond the human experience given the interaction of atoms, as both the foundation of awareness and the foundation of everything else, is awareness.
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Thingness is distinction.Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 7:57 amWhat things are distinct? I think we can agree that things like forests, humans, planets are not distinct. They interact with what is around them and also inside them and have fuzzy boundaries. But at the quantum level, pretty much every thing has these issues.
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Then the universe is an organism. As to the rest, I agree with it.popeye1945 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 29, 2023 3:40 amYou have full body consciousness as a multicellular organism, consciousness is not something an organism has or has not, consciousness is what an organism is, and just possibly; it goes all the way down to the most fundamental of particles.Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 8:22 pmAnd yet the biology is composed of meaningless atoms thus making the atom aware given it is the foundation of consciousness.popeye1945 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 1:11 pm
I think biology is a unique condition, the essence of which is singular, the term biology infers the opposite as being non-life-like or inanimate, the lock presuming its key. I tend to believe that there are no things only condition relative to one another, object being a biological reaction to outer condition/s.
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Perhaps just for thinking. The distinction is not out there.Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 01, 2023 11:15 pmThingness is distinction.Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 7:57 amWhat things are distinct? I think we can agree that things like forests, humans, planets are not distinct. They interact with what is around them and also inside them and have fuzzy boundaries. But at the quantum level, pretty much every thing has these issues.
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Eodnhoj7,Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 01, 2023 11:16 pmThen the universe is an organism. As to the rest, I agree with it.popeye1945 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 29, 2023 3:40 amYou have full body consciousness as a multicellular organism, consciousness is not something an organism has or has not, consciousness is what an organism is, and just possibly; it goes all the way down to the most fundamental of particles.
Good to know someone's on the same page!!
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Things are objects, manifestations of something basic like substance/matter or energies. If one is talking of life forms, the essence of all life forms is one and the same; differing only in structure and form. A physical object/read inanimate object, I suspect is of a like nature, like essence to all other inanimate objects with their essence being only somewhat different from the animate world. Ultimately all things are energy/energies.Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 01, 2023 11:15 pmThingness is distinction.Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 7:57 amWhat things are distinct? I think we can agree that things like forests, humans, planets are not distinct. They interact with what is around them and also inside them and have fuzzy boundaries. But at the quantum level, pretty much every thing has these issues.
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Then "energy" means everything and nothing.popeye1945 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 03, 2023 3:31 amThings are objects, manifestations of something basic like substance/matter or energies. If one is talking of life forms, the essence of all life forms is one and the same; differing only in structure and form. A physical object/read inanimate object, I suspect is of a like nature, like essence to all other inanimate objects with their essence being only somewhat different from the animate world. Ultimately all things are energy/energies.Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 01, 2023 11:15 pmThingness is distinction.Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 7:57 am
What things are distinct? I think we can agree that things like forests, humans, planets are not distinct. They interact with what is around them and also inside them and have fuzzy boundaries. But at the quantum level, pretty much every thing has these issues.
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And yet thoughts exist beyond thoughts. In these respects the distinction is "out there". On another note everything is a thought if the universe is self-aware. However this assertion requires us to define consciousness first.Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Feb 02, 2023 5:45 amPerhaps just for thinking. The distinction is not out there.Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 01, 2023 11:15 pmThingness is distinction.Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 7:57 am
What things are distinct? I think we can agree that things like forests, humans, planets are not distinct. They interact with what is around them and also inside them and have fuzzy boundaries. But at the quantum level, pretty much every thing has these issues.
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The end of the finger is beyond the beginning of the finger, but they are not distinct. We made up these things. Same with thoughts. Actually examine that which you are calling thoughts. See if you can find an outline, edges, beginnings and ends.
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Eodnhoj7,Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 03, 2023 10:26 pmThen "energy" means everything and nothing.popeye1945 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 03, 2023 3:31 amThings are objects, manifestations of something basic like substance/matter or energies. If one is talking of life forms, the essence of all life forms is one and the same; differing only in structure and form. A physical object/read inanimate object, I suspect is of a like nature, like essence to all other inanimate objects with their essence being only somewhat different from the animate world. Ultimately all things are energy/energies.
You right on the money, there are only objects/things for biological consciousness, these are biological readouts of the alterations made by the world's energies to a conscious subject's biology. The nature of apparent reality is the interaction of these energies with biological consciousness. This is a reactionary response to energies on the part of all life forms. To further underline this statement, modern physics states it is all energy; there is nothing else, as counterintuitive as this may sound to you, this is how it is. This statement concerning apparent reality is the holy grail, biology is the measure and meaning of all things, and energies are only things/objects in relation to biological consciousness.
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There is no thing that is not everything; therefore, everything is the no thing that it is not.
Everything cannot be absent of anything. Everything is the absolute; absent of anything.
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That's true. if I may say it another way; there is no event that is not a necessary event . During the periods when we are waking and aware we differentiate between one event and another only because we must try to guess what is going to happen next, so we are ready to choose what to do.
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The "beginning" and "end" are both distinctions. The change of thoughts necessitates beginning and ends to these very same thoughts as one thought contrasts to another.Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 6:54 amThe end of the finger is beyond the beginning of the finger, but they are not distinct. We made up these things. Same with thoughts. Actually examine that which you are calling thoughts. See if you can find an outline, edges, beginnings and ends.
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Biology is energy.popeye1945 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 8:30 pmEodnhoj7,Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 03, 2023 10:26 pmThen "energy" means everything and nothing.popeye1945 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 03, 2023 3:31 am
Things are objects, manifestations of something basic like substance/matter or energies. If one is talking of life forms, the essence of all life forms is one and the same; differing only in structure and form. A physical object/read inanimate object, I suspect is of a like nature, like essence to all other inanimate objects with their essence being only somewhat different from the animate world. Ultimately all things are energy/energies.
You right on the money, there are only objects/things for biological consciousness, these are biological readouts of the alterations made by the world's energies to a conscious subject's biology. The nature of apparent reality is the interaction of these energies with biological consciousness. This is a reactionary response to energies on the part of all life forms. To further underline this statement, modern physics states it is all energy; there is nothing else, as counterintuitive as this may sound to you, this is how it is. This statement concerning apparent reality is the holy grail, biology is the measure and meaning of all things, and energies are only things/objects in relation to biological consciousness.
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If 'everything' does not contain the phenomenon of 'absence' then it is not 'everything'. However if 'everything' does contain within it the phenomenon of 'absence' then it has an 'absence' and is not 'everything'. 'Everything' is a contradiction.