Everything is Not a Thing

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Sculptor wrote: Fri Mar 24, 2023 4:52 pm PS "Things" can be unreal
Yes in one respect, no in another. It depends on the definition of 'reality'.
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Mar 24, 2023 6:59 pm
Sculptor wrote: Fri Mar 24, 2023 4:52 pm PS "Things" can be unreal
Yes in one respect, no in another. It depends on the definition of 'reality'.
No it does not.
It depends on the definition of "Thing", and as I have shown in the above post, "thing" is inclusive. A Hobbit is a thing for example.
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Sculptor, Eodnhoj7,
In considering apparent reality it indeed might be considered unreal, for apparent reality is self-simulation. It tells us really nothing about the meaning of the source, only the meanings of its effects to the nature of our own biology. Again, subjectively speaking, biology is the measure and meaning of all things, because they are only relative to the biology experiencing them. The environment plays us like an instrument, the environment being the energies that surround us and the melody it plays upon us is apparent reality. It is a reality particular to the biology experiencing it, and known only to the biology experiencing it. We are all reactionary creatures to our environment in any and every way one can imagine. It is a super lonely reality, the reality of biology, it is thus that the only comfort we have is each other. As to the statement, "Everything is not a thing." It should be understood that things are particular to biology, but even to biology there are unmanifested forms of energy, unmanifested as objects.
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"Everything is Not a Thing" depends on the subjective opinion of a person.
“The 'paradox' is only a conflict between reality
and your feeling of what reality 'ought to be'.” ― Richard Feynman
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socrat44 wrote: Sat Mar 25, 2023 8:38 am "Everything is Not a Thing" depends on the subjective opinion of a person.
“The 'paradox' is only a conflict between reality
and your feeling of what reality 'ought to be'.” ― Richard Feynman
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Everything, meaning the knowledge of things whether objects or energies is dependent upon subjective opinion. Biology is the measure and meaning of all things.
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popeye1945 wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 9:29 am
socrat44 wrote: Sat Mar 25, 2023 8:38 am "Everything is Not a Thing" depends on the subjective opinion of a person.
“The 'paradox' is only a conflict between reality
and your feeling of what reality 'ought to be'.” ― Richard Feynman
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Everything, meaning the knowledge of things whether objects or energies is dependent upon subjective opinion. Biology is the measure and meaning of all things.

Each living thing is a subject of its peculiar experience. It may be objected that an individual tree, or an individual ant, is not the thing but the instead the colony is the thing; but that objection is spurious.
Subjective experience is the irreducible thing. As Popeye has it "Biology is the measure and meaning of all things".
According to the quotation via Socrat44, Feynman seems to endorse the correspondence notion of truth.
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Belinda wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 11:17 am
popeye1945 wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 9:29 am
socrat44 wrote: Sat Mar 25, 2023 8:38 am "Everything is Not a Thing" depends on the subjective opinion of a person.
“The 'paradox' is only a conflict between reality
and your feeling of what reality 'ought to be'.” ― Richard Feynman
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Everything, meaning the knowledge of things whether objects or energies is dependent upon subjective opinion.
Biology is the measure and meaning of all things.

Each living thing is a subject of its peculiar experience. It may be objected that an individual tree,
or an individual ant, is not the thing but the instead the colony is the thing; but that objection is spurious.
Subjective experience is the irreducible thing.
As Popeye has it "Biology is the measure and meaning of all things".
According to the quotation via Socrat44, Feynman seems to endorse the correspondence notion of truth.
Biology is based on physics (primarily) and chemistry (second).
Physics is based on quantum physics, which has many speculative interpretations.
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socrat44 wrote: Mon Mar 27, 2023 9:07 am
Belinda wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 11:17 am
popeye1945 wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 9:29 am


Everything, meaning the knowledge of things whether objects or energies is dependent upon subjective opinion.
Biology is the measure and meaning of all things.

Each living thing is a subject of its peculiar experience. It may be objected that an individual tree,
or an individual ant, is not the thing but the instead the colony is the thing; but that objection is spurious.
Subjective experience is the irreducible thing.
As Popeye has it "Biology is the measure and meaning of all things".
According to the quotation via Socrat44, Feynman seems to endorse the correspondence notion of truth.
Biology is based on physics (primarily) and chemistry (second).
Physics is based on quantum physics, which has many speculative interpretations.
All relative to human consciousness, it is through consciousness that these things are evaluated and applied.
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Sculptor wrote: Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:47 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Mar 24, 2023 6:59 pm
Sculptor wrote: Fri Mar 24, 2023 4:52 pm PS "Things" can be unreal
Yes in one respect, no in another. It depends on the definition of 'reality'.
No it does not.
It depends on the definition of "Thing", and as I have shown in the above post, "thing" is inclusive. A Hobbit is a thing for example.
And yet the absence of reality in the thing determines the nature of the thing...so what is the definition of "real" and "reality"?
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socrat44 wrote: Sat Mar 25, 2023 8:38 am "Everything is Not a Thing" depends on the subjective opinion of a person.
“The 'paradox' is only a conflict between reality
and your feeling of what reality 'ought to be'.” ― Richard Feynman
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And "the feeling of what reality ought to be" is a part of reality as this "feeling of what ought to be" can be observed.
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popeye1945 wrote: Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:48 am
socrat44 wrote: Mon Mar 27, 2023 9:07 am
Belinda wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 11:17 am

Each living thing is a subject of its peculiar experience. It may be objected that an individual tree,
or an individual ant, is not the thing but the instead the colony is the thing; but that objection is spurious.
Subjective experience is the irreducible thing.
As Popeye has it "Biology is the measure and meaning of all things".
According to the quotation via Socrat44, Feynman seems to endorse the correspondence notion of truth.
Biology is based on physics (primarily) and chemistry (second).
Physics is based on quantum physics, which has many speculative interpretations.
All relative to human consciousness, it is through consciousness that these things are evaluated and applied.
And consciousness requires interactive atoms.
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 6:28 pm
Sculptor wrote: Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:47 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Mar 24, 2023 6:59 pm

Yes in one respect, no in another. It depends on the definition of 'reality'.
No it does not.
It depends on the definition of "Thing", and as I have shown in the above post, "thing" is inclusive. A Hobbit is a thing for example.
And yet the absence of reality in the thing determines the nature of the thing...so what is the definition of "real" and "reality"?
I seem to think that you started the thread, so that question might be better answered by yourself.

But as far as it goes, my point is clear enough; a thing need not be real. There are things that do not exists, such as fantasy characters.
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Sculptor wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 10:57 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 6:28 pm
Sculptor wrote: Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:47 pm

No it does not.
It depends on the definition of "Thing", and as I have shown in the above post, "thing" is inclusive. A Hobbit is a thing for example.
And yet the absence of reality in the thing determines the nature of the thing...so what is the definition of "real" and "reality"?
I seem to think that you started the thread, so that question might be better answered by yourself.

But as far as it goes, my point is clear enough; a thing need not be real. There are things that do not exists, such as fantasy characters.
Fantasy characters and/or fantasy monsters are made of compound life experiences, one cannot imagine something whose elements are not found anywhere in apparent reality. The physical world is half of an organism's consciousness, in that it is the fuel of the mind, without which there would be no mind.
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socrat44 wrote: Wed Mar 22, 2023 1:40 pm Everything is Not a Thing
“Not only is the Universe stranger than we think, it is stranger than we can think.”
/Werner Heisenberg/
OBVIOUSLY VERY False, VERY Wrong, AND VERY Incorrect. As the Universe REALLY IS VERY SIMPLE, and VERY EASY, INDEED.

But, then again, it OBVIOUSLY DEPENDS on HOW one WANTS TO LOOK AT and SEE 'things' here.
socrat44 wrote: Wed Mar 22, 2023 1:40 pm The ‘paradox’ is only a conflict between reality and your feeling of what reality ‘ought to be’.
/Richard P. Feynman/
And that is WHY there are absolutely NO 'conflicts' IN 'Reality', Itself.

Now, as for the attachment:

That some human beings STILL SAW inconsistencies, back in the days when this was being written, between 'quantum physics' and 'classical physics' would have been the ONLY Truly 'shocking' thing here. That is; IF one did NOT ALREADY KNOW the EXACT REASON WHY those human beings were SO LOST and CONFUSED.

Also, if ANY 'thing' can NOT be REGARDED as 'real', then WHY were 'you', human beings, CALLING 'them' 'real' for?

Furthermore, it was BECAUSE one had NOT YET FULLY UNDERSTOOD so-called 'quantum mechanics' that is the reason WHY one would have been so-called 'profoundly shocked'.
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Advocate wrote: Fri Mar 24, 2023 3:56 pm Every thing is a set of attributes and boundary conditions in a mind. Whether it has external existence is a separate question. That which has external existence but not internal existence is undifferentiated stuff, not things.

Everything may include undifferentiated stuff, but every Thing is only patterns.
That which is undifferentiated I don't believe has a pattern, at least not a perceptible one. If you're trying say, all is subjective, I am with you on that. Things are generally defined as objects. Science today agrees that all is energy, and I believe, that objects are particular to biological consciousness.
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