Self-Negation
Self-Negation
Self negation requires the negation of the I into a further I given the negation of the subject occurs through the subject; self-negation is the formation of self-hood into an objective state where the I becomes an object. The subject occurring through the subject is an object, thus the subject and object are united. This occurs through self-reflection.
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“… self-negation is the formation of self-hood into an objective state where the I becomes an object.”
Neti neti. I am not this, I am not that. I am nothing that I can imagine or perceive. Who am I?
Neti neti. I am not this, I am not that. I am nothing that I can imagine or perceive. Who am I?
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I cant say "I am not anything" because when I say "I" I am refering to something, so is like saying:
"I am something that is not something". This is a contradiction.
But some people understand this, beyond the limit of knowledge...
"I am something that is not something". This is a contradiction.
But some people understand this, beyond the limit of knowledge...
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Can you expand on what you mean by “negation”? I know what I understand about what it means. Is negation something the “I” can “do”?Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 04, 2022 9:05 pm Self negation requires the negation of the I into a further I given the negation of the subject occurs through the subject; self-negation is the formation of self-hood into an objective state where the I becomes an object. The subject occurring through the subject is an object, thus the subject and object are united. This occurs through self-reflection.
Furthermore, once the “I” becomes negated to the point that there is no possible object which could be made of the “I”, what happens to that “I”. You then have an object less, location less I, completely undefined and unknowable. Yet as that “I” that particular “I” knows very well they are that “I”. They have a completely subjective and objectless knowing ‘as’ “I”.
Would you call that knowing “being”? I would.
And then, as that objectless “I” once it has negated all objects of its former self, what relation does that I have to ALL objects? Is this negation an actual separation? Is it one of relative vs absolute, such that the I is the absolute, like the ocean, and the objects are the relative, like waves in that ocean of I?
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1. Negation is change.Dimebag wrote: ↑Sat Oct 08, 2022 4:54 amCan you expand on what you mean by “negation”? I know what I understand about what it means. Is negation something the “I” can “do”?Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 04, 2022 9:05 pm Self negation requires the negation of the I into a further I given the negation of the subject occurs through the subject; self-negation is the formation of self-hood into an objective state where the I becomes an object. The subject occurring through the subject is an object, thus the subject and object are united. This occurs through self-reflection.
Furthermore, once the “I” becomes negated to the point that there is no possible object which could be made of the “I”, what happens to that “I”. You then have an object less, location less I, completely undefined and unknowable. Yet as that “I” that particular “I” knows very well they are that “I”. They have a completely subjective and objectless knowing ‘as’ “I”.
Would you call that knowing “being”? I would.
And then, as that objectless “I” once it has negated all objects of its former self, what relation does that I have to ALL objects? Is this negation an actual separation? Is it one of relative vs absolute, such that the I is the absolute, like the ocean, and the objects are the relative, like waves in that ocean of I?
2. The "I" being negated is the "I" changing.
3. The "I" changes into other forms thus in one respect the "I" no-longer exists but in another respect it is always present.
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No-thing, as objects are a void of void thus to be an object is to be a contradiction and from this the "I" is anything.
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Infinite potentiality fills void with all possibilities, and this voids the concept of void. Objects are manifestations of void, comprised of void.
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What Happens when negation negates itself?Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 10:24 pm1. Negation is change.Dimebag wrote: ↑Sat Oct 08, 2022 4:54 amCan you expand on what you mean by “negation”? I know what I understand about what it means. Is negation something the “I” can “do”?Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 04, 2022 9:05 pm Self negation requires the negation of the I into a further I given the negation of the subject occurs through the subject; self-negation is the formation of self-hood into an objective state where the I becomes an object. The subject occurring through the subject is an object, thus the subject and object are united. This occurs through self-reflection.
Furthermore, once the “I” becomes negated to the point that there is no possible object which could be made of the “I”, what happens to that “I”. You then have an object less, location less I, completely undefined and unknowable. Yet as that “I” that particular “I” knows very well they are that “I”. They have a completely subjective and objectless knowing ‘as’ “I”.
Would you call that knowing “being”? I would.
And then, as that objectless “I” once it has negated all objects of its former self, what relation does that I have to ALL objects? Is this negation an actual separation? Is it one of relative vs absolute, such that the I is the absolute, like the ocean, and the objects are the relative, like waves in that ocean of I?
2. The "I" being negated is the "I" changing.
3. The "I" changes into other forms thus in one respect the "I" no-longer exists but in another respect it is always present.
When there can be no more negation?
When there is no I separate to negate from anything else?
To negate is to believe one is separate from that which is negated. To believe one is separate from objects, is to believe one is an objectless subject. To believe one is an objectless subject is not find oneself. To not find oneself is to not know oneself. To not know oneself is to negate subject and object.
Negation is a self terminating process, terminating both the negating, and the idea of a separate self.
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Potentiality, by definition is an absence of the actual and as an absence of the actual, ie form, is void.Walker wrote: ↑Sat Oct 15, 2022 9:38 amInfinite potentiality fills void with all possibilities, and this voids the concept of void. Objects are manifestations of void, comprised of void.
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1. Negation has to negate itself if negation is applied to all things.Dimebag wrote: ↑Sat Oct 15, 2022 12:46 pmWhat Happens when negation negates itself?Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 10:24 pm1. Negation is change.Dimebag wrote: ↑Sat Oct 08, 2022 4:54 am
Can you expand on what you mean by “negation”? I know what I understand about what it means. Is negation something the “I” can “do”?
Furthermore, once the “I” becomes negated to the point that there is no possible object which could be made of the “I”, what happens to that “I”. You then have an object less, location less I, completely undefined and unknowable. Yet as that “I” that particular “I” knows very well they are that “I”. They have a completely subjective and objectless knowing ‘as’ “I”.
Would you call that knowing “being”? I would.
And then, as that objectless “I” once it has negated all objects of its former self, what relation does that I have to ALL objects? Is this negation an actual separation? Is it one of relative vs absolute, such that the I is the absolute, like the ocean, and the objects are the relative, like waves in that ocean of I?
2. The "I" being negated is the "I" changing.
3. The "I" changes into other forms thus in one respect the "I" no-longer exists but in another respect it is always present.
When there can be no more negation?
When there is no I separate to negate from anything else?
To negate is to believe one is separate from that which is negated. To believe one is separate from objects, is to believe one is an objectless subject. To believe one is an objectless subject is not find oneself. To not find oneself is to not know oneself. To not know oneself is to negate subject and object.
Negation is a self terminating process, terminating both the negating, and the idea of a separate self.
2. Negation is never ending considering being is the negation of void, ie the negation of negation.
3. The "I" is the act of negation as the "I" can mean any and all things thus is void by nature.
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Being is the void of void, ie the contradiction of void.
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That is because you think "void" is something.
There is no such a thing as "void".
Being is not contradictory. The problem is you think "void" is part of reality.
The same with True/False.
There is only Trues.
There is no such a thing as "void".
Being is not contradictory. The problem is you think "void" is part of reality.
The same with True/False.
There is only Trues.
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