If Everything is a Contradiction....

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Re: If Everything is a Contradiction....

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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Oct 27, 2022 9:42 pm
Age wrote: Thu Oct 27, 2022 3:09 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Oct 26, 2022 11:47 pm

To speak of everything is a contradiction given everything contrasts only to itself thus leaving it as beyond the senses.
But it is NOT beyond the senses when the senses are observing/experiencing the distinction between Everything and EVERY thing.
Both "Everything" and "EVERY thing" share the same quality of distinction, ie individuality, thus are connected.
But so what?

What you said here does NOT lead to Everything being a contradiction.

Or, did you just want to POINT OUT another obvious Fact here?
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Re: If Everything is a Contradiction....

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Age wrote: Fri Oct 28, 2022 3:02 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Oct 27, 2022 9:42 pm
Age wrote: Thu Oct 27, 2022 3:09 am

But it is NOT beyond the senses when the senses are observing/experiencing the distinction between Everything and EVERY thing.
Both "Everything" and "EVERY thing" share the same quality of distinction, ie individuality, thus are connected.
But so what?

What you said here does NOT lead to Everything being a contradiction.

Or, did you just want to POINT OUT another obvious Fact here?
Only everything exists thus everything is one. Considering only everything exists there is no comparison for everything thus it is formless and equitable to zero. Under this context a paradox occurs: 1=0.
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Re: If Everything is a Contradiction....

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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Nov 03, 2022 11:40 pm
Age wrote: Fri Oct 28, 2022 3:02 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Oct 27, 2022 9:42 pm

Both "Everything" and "EVERY thing" share the same quality of distinction, ie individuality, thus are connected.
But so what?

What you said here does NOT lead to Everything being a contradiction.

Or, did you just want to POINT OUT another obvious Fact here?
Only everything exists thus everything is one. Considering only everything exists there is no comparison for everything thus it is formless and equitable to zero. Under this context a paradox occurs: 1=0.
Which definition of 'paradox' are you using here? The word 'paradox' is a paradox of itself, and, as you would say, a contradiction, of itself, as well.
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Re: If Everything is a Contradiction....

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Age wrote: Thu Nov 03, 2022 11:52 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Nov 03, 2022 11:40 pm
Age wrote: Fri Oct 28, 2022 3:02 am

But so what?

What you said here does NOT lead to Everything being a contradiction.

Or, did you just want to POINT OUT another obvious Fact here?
Only everything exists thus everything is one. Considering only everything exists there is no comparison for everything thus it is formless and equitable to zero. Under this context a paradox occurs: 1=0.
Which definition of 'paradox' are you using here? The word 'paradox' is a paradox of itself, and, as you would say, a contradiction, of itself, as well.
And you are correct with the second sentence. The argument's self-refutation points to a reality beyond the senses, self-refutation is inevitable with the relative, ie forms/things.
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Nov 04, 2022 12:03 am
Age wrote: Thu Nov 03, 2022 11:52 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Nov 03, 2022 11:40 pm

Only everything exists thus everything is one. Considering only everything exists there is no comparison for everything thus it is formless and equitable to zero. Under this context a paradox occurs: 1=0.
Which definition of 'paradox' are you using here? The word 'paradox' is a paradox of itself, and, as you would say, a contradiction, of itself, as well.
And you are correct with the second sentence. The argument's self-refutation points to a reality beyond the senses, self-refutation is inevitable with the relative, ie forms/things.
But there is NO, so-called, 'reality beyond the senses'.
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Re: If Everything is a Contradiction....

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Age wrote: Fri Nov 04, 2022 12:40 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Nov 04, 2022 12:03 am
Age wrote: Thu Nov 03, 2022 11:52 pm

Which definition of 'paradox' are you using here? The word 'paradox' is a paradox of itself, and, as you would say, a contradiction, of itself, as well.
And you are correct with the second sentence. The argument's self-refutation points to a reality beyond the senses, self-refutation is inevitable with the relative, ie forms/things.
But there is NO, so-called, 'reality beyond the senses'.
If there is contradiction then there is a reality beyond the senses as contradiction is 'senseless' or 'non-sense'. Contradictions exist otherwise we would be unable to speak about them.
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Nov 04, 2022 12:42 am
Age wrote: Fri Nov 04, 2022 12:40 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Nov 04, 2022 12:03 am

And you are correct with the second sentence. The argument's self-refutation points to a reality beyond the senses, self-refutation is inevitable with the relative, ie forms/things.
But there is NO, so-called, 'reality beyond the senses'.
If there is contradiction then there is a reality beyond the senses as contradiction is 'senseless' or 'non-sense'. Contradictions exist otherwise we would be unable to speak about them.
There is just far to much Wrong here for me to bother Correcting.
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[quote=Eodnhoj7 post_id=599898 time=1664913206 user_id=14533]
If everything is a contradiction then this truth is not contradictory and a contradiction ensues because not everything is a contradiction, this is a further contradiction.
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Everything being a contradiction is not a possible state of Reality, so nothing follows from your premise.
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Advocate wrote: Fri Nov 04, 2022 4:16 pm Everything being a contradiction is not a possible state of Reality, so nothing follows from your premise.
Why not? Schrödinger's cat is both dead or alive, so maybe reality both exists and it doesn't.

Reality doesn't have to care about your made up criteria of (im)possibility. It can be as absurd as it wants to.
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[quote=Skepdick post_id=607621 time=1667575814 user_id=17350]
[quote=Advocate post_id=607618 time=1667575014 user_id=15238]
Everything being a contradiction is not a possible state of Reality, so nothing follows from your premise.
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Why not? Schrödinger's cat is both dead or alive, so maybe reality both exists and it doesn't.

Reality doesn't have to care about your made up criteria of (im)possibility. It can be as absurd as it wants to.
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It is exactly as weird as it wants to be, which happens to never include contradiction or paradox.
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Advocate wrote: Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:20 am It is exactly as weird as it wants to be, which happens to never include contradiction or paradox.
That's a weird claim. Those phenomena you refer to as 'contradiction' and 'paradox' are included in reality.

Are they not? Otherwise you wouldn't be able to speak about them.
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[quote=Skepdick post_id=607709 time=1667632839 user_id=17350]
[quote=Advocate post_id=607701 time=1667625640 user_id=15238]
It is exactly as weird as it wants to be, which happens to never include contradiction or paradox.
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That's a weird claim. Those phenomena you refer to as 'contradiction' and 'paradox' are included in reality.

Are they not? Otherwise you wouldn't be able to speak about them.
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They exist in a mind, which is an extremely limited sub-set of reality, and they are an illusion as they apply externally to , not actuality. There's never an Actual coincidence, paradox, or contradiction, but people often think they see such - it's always a matter of ignorance of additional factors, and easily cleared up.
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Re: If Everything is a Contradiction....

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Advocate wrote: Fri Nov 04, 2022 4:16 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Oct 04, 2022 8:53 pm If everything is a contradiction then this truth is not contradictory and a contradiction ensues because not everything is a contradiction, this is a further contradiction.
Everything being a contradiction is not a possible state of Reality, so nothing follows from your premise.
Contradiction exists and as existing is real. Contradiction is a possible state of reality given the matter which forms these disagreements we are having is contradicting itself because of the said disagreements we are having.
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Skepdick wrote: Sat Nov 05, 2022 8:20 am
Advocate wrote: Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:20 am It is exactly as weird as it wants to be, which happens to never include contradiction or paradox.
That's a weird claim. Those phenomena you refer to as 'contradiction' and 'paradox' are included in reality.

Are they not? Otherwise you wouldn't be able to speak about them.
Yep.
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Re: If Everything is a Contradiction....

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Advocate wrote: Sat Nov 05, 2022 1:55 pm
Skepdick wrote: Sat Nov 05, 2022 8:20 am
Advocate wrote: Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:20 am It is exactly as weird as it wants to be, which happens to never include contradiction or paradox.
That's a weird claim. Those phenomena you refer to as 'contradiction' and 'paradox' are included in reality.

Are they not? Otherwise you wouldn't be able to speak about them.
They exist in a mind, which is an extremely limited sub-set of reality, and they are an illusion as they apply externally to assistance, not actuality. There's never an Actual coincidence, paradox, or contradiction, but people often think they see such - it's always a matter of ignorance of additional factors, and easily cleared up.
And matter forms mind. If mind contradicts then matter contradicts.
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