Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 11:55 pm
iambiguous wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 7:19 pm
Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 6:04 pm
Coastal cities have sunk into the sea in the past. Dunwich, for example, was once a thriving port in the middle ages, but is now under the North Sea. The climate changes.
Yeah, but back then there weren't a ton of scientists around noting that it all revolved around the burning of fossil fuels.
Sure, if you are able to convince yourself that this has little or nothing to do with human behavior...that it's all about Nature and climate, so be it. Just note that others disagree. And while the fossil fuel industry is awash in money revolving around the very nature of the capitalist political economy, not all scientists weighing in here are merely following the money themselves.
Then this part:
"
Why did Dunwich fall into the sea?
In the Anglo-Saxon period, Dunwich was the capital of the Kingdom of the East Angles, but the harbour and most of the town have since disappeared due to coastal erosion."
Isn't erosion more a weather phenomenon?
And then the part when the next Ice Age does all but cripple vast chunks of "civilization" as we know it...is that just nature doing its thing? Spiritually or otherwise.
Then this part:
https://astronomy.com/news/2019/04/the- ... ball-earth
Here, nature turns the whole planet itself into one gigantic "snowball".
Hard to imagine many human beings surviving the next rendition of that.
The point about Dunwich, or indeed the Neolithic optimum, is that climate changes without the need for fossil fuel emissions.
OF COURSE.
The climate, like the Universe, CHANGES, ALWAYS. ALWAYS HAS and ALWAYS WILL.
EVERY second of EVERY day of EVERY year, and thus ALWAYS, the climate IS A CHANGING.
The climate, ALSO, CHANGES WITH or WITHOUT fossil fuel emissions. BUT, WITH fossil fuel emission the climate WILL CHANGE DIFFERENTLY than it DID WITHOUT fossil fuel emission.
If absolutely ANY thing is False, Wrong, or Incorrect here, then PLEASE bring to light what THIS IS, EXACTLY, and Correct 'it'.
Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 11:55 pm
But the long term trend is definitely that the earth is cooling down, since its formation. If we can find a way of slowing this down, this is probably a good thing.
AGAIN, WHY do human beings WANT to CHANGE what Nature, ITSELF, is JUST DOING, Naturally?
Are they REALLY that self-centered, GREEDY, and SELFISH that they REALLY think or BELIEVE that CHANGING what Naturally HAPPENS and OCCURS is REALLY a so-called "good thing"?
And, let us NOT FORGET 'good' in relation to 'what', EXACTLY?
In other words, how could ANY thing that is, seemingly, 'good' for one human being or a collective of human beings REALLY be a 'good' 'thing'.
I would have thought what is 'good' for Nature, ITSELF, would be what is REALLY a 'good thing', and 'that' what MIGHT BE 'good' for a select few, WITHOUT ANY consideration for the REST of 'things' in Nature was ACTUALLY a 'bad thing' INDEED.