How does a dowser determine that the energy "spirals"?
Is magic related to electro-magnetism?
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The follow them round on the ground.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 11:26 pmHow does a dowser determine that the energy "spirals"?
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So they knew where the stream was. Describe what happened with the dowser when you crossed the stream? Where did you get the dowser from? Was it handed to you by the person who knew where the stream was?Maia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 11:24 pmIt was conducted by someone who knew where the stream was. I have no reason to believe they were an expert.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 11:23 pmHow many times has that happened? Was this part of a demonstration being conducted by someone who claimed to be knowledgable about dowsing?
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The dowser is the person, not the rod, which in this case, was two bent bits of metal. You can also use twigs or pendulums.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 11:30 pmSo they knew where the stream was. Describe what happened with the dowser when you crossed the stream? Where did you get the dowser from? Was it handed to you by the person who knew where the stream was?Maia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 11:24 pmIt was conducted by someone who knew where the stream was. I have no reason to believe they were an expert.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 11:23 pm
How many times has that happened? Was this part of a demonstration being conducted by someone who claimed to be knowledgable about dowsing?
The rods were handed out by the warden of the stone circle I was visiting. I was then told to walk in a straight line in a certain direction, but no further clues were given than that. When I crossed the stream the rods twisted in my hands, pointing inwards.
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Actually according to one genetic study, proto-indo-european potentially originated in southeast Asia, or otherwise had contact with the region, even FURTHER from Europe than China.Maia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 11:15 pmNowhere near as far as China.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 11:12 pmApparently proto-indo-european originated in the east according to some experts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Ind ... ge%20(PIE).
I'm still not sure what you are trying to prove here.
All I'm suggesting is that a dragon, for example, is inspired by something other than literary invention.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Ind ... ge%20(PIE).R1b and R1a
According to three autosomal DNA studies, haplogroups R1b and R1a, now the most common in Europe (R1a is also very common in South Asia) would have expanded from the Pontic steppes, along with the Indo-European languages; they also detected an autosomal component present in modern Europeans which was not present in Neolithic Europeans, which would have been introduced with paternal lineages R1b and R1a, as well as Indo-European languages.[31][32][33] Studies which analysed ancient human remains in Ireland and Portugal suggest that R1b was introduced in these places along with autosomal DNA from the Pontic steppes.[34][35]
Re: Is magic related to electro-magnetism?
That's Wikipedia for you. Linguistically, such an assertion is ridiculous, to be honest.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 11:35 pmActually according to one genetic study, proto-indo-european potentially originated in southeast Asia, or otherwise had contact with the region, even FURTHER from Europe than China.Maia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 11:15 pmNowhere near as far as China.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 11:12 pm
Apparently proto-indo-european originated in the east according to some experts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Ind ... ge%20(PIE).
I'm still not sure what you are trying to prove here.
All I'm suggesting is that a dragon, for example, is inspired by something other than literary invention.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Ind ... ge%20(PIE).R1b and R1a
According to three autosomal DNA studies, haplogroups R1b and R1a, now the most common in Europe (R1a is also very common in South Asia) would have expanded from the Pontic steppes, along with the Indo-European languages; they also detected an autosomal component present in modern Europeans which was not present in Neolithic Europeans, which would have been introduced with paternal lineages R1b and R1a, as well as Indo-European languages.[31][32][33] Studies which analysed ancient human remains in Ireland and Portugal suggest that R1b was introduced in these places along with autosomal DNA from the Pontic steppes.[34][35]
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Humans originated in one tiny region of Africa. It stands to reason that myths and folklore are going to have common elements world wide.
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So I can just pick up two bits of metal, twigs, or pendulums right now and they will twist in my hands when I cross the sewer out front of my home? Should I give it a try? Can you explain a little more about it? How did you hold onto the pieces of metal? One in each hand pointing inward, outward? Can you show me a picture of how to operate them?Maia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 11:34 pmThe dowser is the person, not the rod, which in this case, was two bent bits of metal. You can also use twigs or pendulums.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 11:30 pmSo they knew where the stream was. Describe what happened with the dowser when you crossed the stream? Where did you get the dowser from? Was it handed to you by the person who knew where the stream was?
The rods were handed out by the warden of the stone circle I was visiting. I was then told to walk in a straight line in a certain direction, but no further clues were given than that. When I crossed the stream the rods twisted in my hands, pointing inwards.
There's something very phony sounding about these "dowsers".
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What's more ridiculous about that than drawing the conclusion that dowsing proves the existence of something called "earth energy" that "spirals?"Maia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 11:36 pmThat's Wikipedia for you. Linguistically, such an assertion is ridiculous, to be honest.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 11:35 pmActually according to one genetic study, proto-indo-european potentially originated in southeast Asia, or otherwise had contact with the region, even FURTHER from Europe than China.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Ind ... ge%20(PIE).R1b and R1a
According to three autosomal DNA studies, haplogroups R1b and R1a, now the most common in Europe (R1a is also very common in South Asia) would have expanded from the Pontic steppes, along with the Indo-European languages; they also detected an autosomal component present in modern Europeans which was not present in Neolithic Europeans, which would have been introduced with paternal lineages R1b and R1a, as well as Indo-European languages.[31][32][33] Studies which analysed ancient human remains in Ireland and Portugal suggest that R1b was introduced in these places along with autosomal DNA from the Pontic steppes.[34][35]
Re: Is magic related to electro-magnetism?
Then you would need to show it, with evidence. Not just isolated motifs, like dragons, but common stories. If you can't, then it's a very weak theory.vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 11:38 pm Humans originated in one tiny region of Africa. It stands to reason that myths and folklore are going to have common elements world wide.
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Yes, please try it. I was quite shocked myself, as to the strength of the reaction.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 11:39 pmSo I can just pick up two bits of metal, twigs, or pendulums right now and they will twist in my hands when I cross the sewer out front of my home? Should I give it a try? Can you explain a little more about it? How did you hold onto the pieces of metal? One in each hand pointing inward, outward? Can you show me a picture of how to operate them?Maia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 11:34 pmThe dowser is the person, not the rod, which in this case, was two bent bits of metal. You can also use twigs or pendulums.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 11:30 pm
So they knew where the stream was. Describe what happened with the dowser when you crossed the stream? Where did you get the dowser from? Was it handed to you by the person who knew where the stream was?
The rods were handed out by the warden of the stone circle I was visiting. I was then told to walk in a straight line in a certain direction, but no further clues were given than that. When I crossed the stream the rods twisted in my hands, pointing inwards.
There's something very phony sounding about these "dowsers".
When I was walking the rods were pointing forwards, then they suddenly twisted inwards. I held them in my fists.
No, sorry, I can't show you any pictures.
Re: Is magic related to electro-magnetism?
Dragon motifs don't prove spiral earth energy. Dowsers do.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 11:40 pmWhat's more ridiculous about that than drawing the conclusion that dowsing proves the existence of something called "earth energy" that "spirals?"Maia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 11:36 pmThat's Wikipedia for you. Linguistically, such an assertion is ridiculous, to be honest.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 11:35 pm
Actually according to one genetic study, proto-indo-european potentially originated in southeast Asia, or otherwise had contact with the region, even FURTHER from Europe than China.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Ind ... ge%20(PIE).
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It's not a 'theory', it's proven with DNA evidence. How little do you know, exactly?Maia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 11:40 pmThen you would need to show it, with evidence. Not just isolated motifs, like dragons, but common stories. If you can't, then it's a very weak theory.vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 11:38 pm Humans originated in one tiny region of Africa. It stands to reason that myths and folklore are going to have common elements world wide.
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What a twit.Maia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 11:44 pmYes, please try it. I was quite shocked myself, as to the strength of the reaction.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 11:39 pmSo I can just pick up two bits of metal, twigs, or pendulums right now and they will twist in my hands when I cross the sewer out front of my home? Should I give it a try? Can you explain a little more about it? How did you hold onto the pieces of metal? One in each hand pointing inward, outward? Can you show me a picture of how to operate them?Maia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 11:34 pm
The dowser is the person, not the rod, which in this case, was two bent bits of metal. You can also use twigs or pendulums.
The rods were handed out by the warden of the stone circle I was visiting. I was then told to walk in a straight line in a certain direction, but no further clues were given than that. When I crossed the stream the rods twisted in my hands, pointing inwards.
There's something very phony sounding about these "dowsers".
When I was walking the rods were pointing forwards, then they suddenly twisted inwards. I held them in my fists.
No, sorry, I can't show you any pictures.
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Maia, I suspect you're anecdotal "evidence" would NEVER hold up to scientific scrutiny. This is how religions probably start. It starts out with an "open mind" who listens to a tall tale told by someone else and believes it to be true. Google for youtube videos debunking faith healers and all other manners of pseudoscience theories. There are videos debunking almost every crazy story, from elephant artists to just about any other crazy claim.