Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 3:05 pm
Age wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 12:55 pm
ALREADY DONE.
No, sorry.
See, what is occurring here is ANOTHER GREAT example of how the BELIEFS, of one, are obviously currently being held onto, and so that one is also currently stuck in those beliefs, which are BLINDING "iwannaplato" COMPLETELY to what is CLEARLY OBVIOUS to "others" here.
The proof would need to include how you know others found it completely obvious, what beliefs I was holding onto and how you know this and how you know I am stuck in those beliefs.
Thee PROOF is in your OWN WORDS her "iwannaplato"
Hm, sad you know so little about what proof means. At times you confuse it with 'evidence', other times with 'pointing out what I think is a priori'.
Although you will most likely MISS this COMPLETELY AGAIN, because, AGAIN, of YOUR currently HELD ONTO BELIEFS, but the last paragraph, bolded for you "iwannaplato", EXPLAINS in more DETAIL, what you completely and utterly can NOT YET comprehend and understand. For the rest of 'us' it IS THERE.
I am not sure who 'the rest of us' refers to.
OF COURSE you are NOT.
Even this was BLATANTLY OBVIOUS BEFORE and ALSO ALREADY KNOWN.
Yes, keep using the passive tense. It is likely safer for someone like you who can't or won't back up things you say.
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:39 am
Everyone else at this forum? Everyone? Who are you referring to
Those who CAN SEE and HEAR it.
WHY did you use the 'everyone' word here, and TWICE for that matter?
If you can't distinguish between everyone else in a a particular group and everyone with no qualitifiction, I have a better idea about why you may have so many problems avoiding hypocrisy or understanding what words like 'proof' mean.
For PROOF you would just NEED to ask them.
IOW you think I should prove what you say. I should go and find evidence. Continued confusion on your part about who bears the onus for your assertions. And also social confusion: you are not picking up cues, and really obvious ones, that people here often think your ideas are confused and your communication problematic.
But HERE is the ISSUE 'you' are ALWAYS going to come across "iwannoplato", which again is a direct result of your CURRENTLY HELD ONTO BELIEF. You will NEVER SEE nor HEAR thee ACTUAL PROOF BECAUSE 'you' BELIEVE NONE exists.
Actually, not only is this irrelevant, it is not true. I thought there was a very good chance that I would have agreed with the original statement you made, given the definitions you produced for free will and determinism. But I did want to see what your proof was before I was sure. I was hoping to shift a pattern between us and my guess was I would agree. It would have been ok with me if you had produced a flawed proof and I could point this out. I was not sure what the outcome was. But, when I saw your definitions, I thought, ah, ok, he's actually going to do this, great.
I thought it would be interesting to see you produce a proof. And so I asked my questions and requested (or demanded) that proof.
But you did not prove the original statement. So, as many, many times before your beliefs about me and what is happening are not the case.
In fact, whatever irritation I have had at you in the past, I was surprised not only by your not following your own idea that people need to prove what they say here, but some of the 'arguments' you have made and also the degree of avoidance patterns.
I did not expect that.
Which is the EXACT SAME ISSUE 'you' have had and are going to KEEP having with 'me' and with "others" here.
The PROOF, that you BELIEVE NO proof exists, is in your writings, EXISTS just in the one written word that you use here for a username. Let alone also bing in the OTHER words that you USE here.
More confusion about what proof and to prove mean.
And, again you surprise me. I revealed what that one word name Iwannaplato means to me and represents. I shared something personal with you about my choice of name and how it honors the long-standing love I felt for a good friend. You responded here, so I know you saw this.
viewtopic.php?p=595739#p595739
But now you believe that it represents a proof (deep confusion about what a proof is) of something it most certainly does not.
Why did this surprise me? Actually I wouldn't have guessed you'd be so callous. You are tenacious in your approach but I have always assumed (until further evidence) that you were passionate about what you were doing because you think you know the source of many of the problems humans face, specifically those connected to communication, which obviously affects pretty much everything of importance. I do not agree with you on what you believe the approach must be, but I assumed there was a positive motivation behind it and the anger at those who do not live up to your standards.
Now I am less sure there is a positive motivation. Further, I had assumed you knew certain things, but it becomes more and more clear you do not.
It feels a bit like arguing with someone with a head injury. What had seemed cagey, now seems fragile and, yes, damaged.
That's one tricky thing with the internet. Someone quite damaged can appear whole and confident. I don't know how isolated you are or if you have people who help you or not. I truly hope your main contact is not with someone who puts up with this kind of dominance and manipulative gamesmanship. Not just for their sake, but for yours. I would guess you will think I am simply insulting you here. In fact, I am just trying to give you a chance to consider your coping mechanisms are no longer healthy.
I will not communcate with you again. It's enabling you.