Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 11:53 am
But no one has ever seen a perspective let alone the one who you are claiming to have a perspective.
Age wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 12:15 amWhat are 'you' basing "this truth" and CLAIM on, EXACTLY?
I've never seen a 'you' so I cannot answer the question.
Age wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 12:15 amOn your OWN perspective, ONLY?
I've never seen a perspective, so I cannot answer the question.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 11:53 amBut I already know no one has seen the knower of what is known. Or that the looker is the looked upon that cannot see or know itself.
Age wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 12:15 amWhat are 'you' basing "this truth" and CLAIM on, EXACTLY?
On your OWN perspective, ONLY?
If no, then on 'what', EXACTLY?
I've never seen a perspective either.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 11:53 am
Let the one who want's to know answer...otherwise, I couldn't give a crap.
Age wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 12:15 amThis is a TYPICAL response from one who IF they were Truly Honest, and DID respond to and answer thee ACTUAL question posed Honestly, would have to then CONTRADICT their OWN previous writings.
But I did respond and answer honestly - I said, and I repeat, let the one who wants to know answer the question.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 11:53 am
Oh ok then, I'm sure people ''others'' can see things for themselves, they don't need them pointed out, but whatever.
Age wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 12:15 amBut there are LOTS of people who NEED 'things' POINTED OUT for them, otherwise they would NEVER SEE those 'things'.
But you are in discussion with me, only me it seems, so you are just pointing out to me things that I already know, so that's all I'm pointing out to you. While it may or may not be true that others are reading this thread, they will if they so desire chime in if they want something that has been posted to be pointed out to them in ways they can understand...so in effect, let those who want to know answer what they want to know. That's all that we are doing here, is answering our own questions with more questions until we are satisfied with the answers, and all I'm saying to you is that I already know what you are pointing out to me so that's what I am pointing out to you.
Age wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 12:15 amEven IRREFUTABLE Facts, like for example, the sun does NOT revolve the earth, AND, the Universe did NOT begin and is NOT expanding, NEED to be POINTED OUT and SHOWN to 'you', human beings, BEFORE 'you' BECOME AWARE OF them. Otherwise 'you' can and do end up BELIEVING things that are NOT true AT ALL.
Like I said, let those who want to know answer. If you know what you have now claimed to know above, then I'm sure the ''others'' will also know, otherwise where did your knowing come from that you now claim others are not aware of. Others will become aware of what they want to know if and when the demand to know arises and not one second before...and they will extract their knowledge from the exact same place as you did... so to try and force it is pointless...which it seems is what you are doing.
Most people went to school so they already know more than you think they do, they do not need you to inform them of what they already know, knowledge is just basic common knowledge known to every one who went to school.
We are supposed to be talking about FREE WILL...this thread is not a general knowledge pub quiz.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 11:53 am
But I'm not very lost and confused, I'm right here...completely basking in absolute clarity, so that's just another one of your presumed beliefs, not mine.
Age wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 12:15 amWHO are 'you', and WHERE, are 'you', EXACTLY?
I am here right now, and that's who I am. .I am now...but I have no recollection of my conception, so all I can do is imagine a name out of thin air, and stick with that name tag so that I can remember who I am when someone else wants to know.
Age wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 12:15 amAnd, do you REALLY BELIEVE that 'you' are basking in ABSOLUTELY CLARITY? Or, is this just ANOTHER CLAIM that 'you' SAID and WROTE without actually putting ANY thought into BEFORE you SAID and CLAIMED it.
I don't have to believe, I know I am basking in absolute clarity...as I imagine or conceive that knowedge.
Age wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 12:15 amAlso, are you 'trying to' CLAIM here that the reason WHY you are NOT wanting to KNOW ANY thing is because 'you' are ALREADY 'basking in ABSOLUTE clarity'.
Yes I already know myself, there is nothing else for me to know. I can pretend there are other things to know, and when that demand for knowledge arises is when I will act on the demand for knowledge, until the demand arises, I have no requirement to know anything.
Age wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 12:15 amBy the way, there is NO need to have a 'presumed belief' when KNOWING a Fact. I, AGAIN, do NOT have ANY beliefs AT ALL, presume or not.
Knowing maybe a fact, but any claim to know that fact is and always will be a presumed belief after the fact.