"Being" as Unconditional

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Re: "Being" as Unconditional

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I think I have already stated that categories are tools we use to further our understanding, it is called categorical thinking. These categories are just imaginary limitations we have drawn around a given area to isolate it from the greater totality which is to much for us to understand, they are not, in reality, isolated objects but pieces of the totality. Do you understand that these are abstract tools and not real?
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Re: "Being" as Unconditional

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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Apr 28, 2022 11:06 pm
Age wrote: Wed Apr 27, 2022 11:55 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Apr 27, 2022 9:16 pm

1. "Not sufficient" is relative.
Can you name one 'thing' that is NOT relative?

If yes, then will you?

If no, then WHY NOT?
The absence of thingness which occurs universally and is unchanging as there is no-thing to change.
So, the answer is a resounding NO.
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Re: "Being" as Unconditional

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Age wrote: Fri Apr 29, 2022 3:58 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Apr 28, 2022 11:06 pm
Age wrote: Wed Apr 27, 2022 11:55 pm

Can you name one 'thing' that is NOT relative?

If yes, then will you?

If no, then WHY NOT?
The absence of thingness which occurs universally and is unchanging as there is no-thing to change.
So, the answer is a resounding NO.
To say "all is relative" is to make an absolute statement thus "not all is relative".

1. Nothingness is sameness and sameness is 1. 1 and 0 equate.

2. Being at its core is without definition as the totality of being is without comparison. The no-thingness of being is the totality of being. 1 and 0 equate again as the totality is 1 and this 1 is no thing thus 0.
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Re: "Being" as Unconditional

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popeye1945 wrote: Fri Apr 29, 2022 12:26 am I think I have already stated that categories are tools we use to further our understanding, it is called categorical thinking. These categories are just imaginary limitations we have drawn around a given area to isolate it from the greater totality which is to much for us to understand, they are not, in reality, isolated objects but pieces of the totality. Do you understand that these are abstract tools and not real?
If all emerges from matter then concepts emerge from matter as well. If matter is real then concepts are real. Furthermore we know concepts are real phenomena because the concept is able to change matter much in the same way a schematic, when applied, changes the resources into that which is being built.
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Re: "Being" as Unconditional

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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 12:01 am
Age wrote: Fri Apr 29, 2022 3:58 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Apr 28, 2022 11:06 pm

The absence of thingness which occurs universally and is unchanging as there is no-thing to change.
So, the answer is a resounding NO.
To say "all is relative" is to make an absolute statement thus "not all is relative".
You have, obviously, NOT understood what I have meant, YET.

Also, are you now CLAIMING there are, actually, 'absolute ststement/s'?
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 12:01 am 1. Nothingness is sameness and sameness is 1. 1 and 0 equate.

2. Being at its core is without definition as the totality of being is without comparison. The no-thingness of being is the totality of being. 1 and 0 equate again as the totality is 1 and this 1 is no thing thus 0.
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Re: "Being" as Unconditional

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Age wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 12:22 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 12:01 am
Age wrote: Fri Apr 29, 2022 3:58 am

So, the answer is a resounding NO.
To say "all is relative" is to make an absolute statement thus "not all is relative".
You have, obviously, NOT understood what I have meant, YET.

Also, are you now CLAIMING there are, actually, 'absolute ststement/s'?
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 12:01 am 1. Nothingness is sameness and sameness is 1. 1 and 0 equate.

2. Being at its core is without definition as the totality of being is without comparison. The no-thingness of being is the totality of being. 1 and 0 equate again as the totality is 1 and this 1 is no thing thus 0.
If it exists it is absolute. The flow of one phenomenon into another makes each phenomenon a grounding fiber that is necessary within the absolute totality of being. Without each phenomenon there is no totality and what exists as the totality is absolute given it is without comparison.

Because each phenomenon is necessary, in that it exists, each phenomenon is absolute.
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Re: "Being" as Unconditional

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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 12:34 am
Age wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 12:22 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 12:01 am

To say "all is relative" is to make an absolute statement thus "not all is relative".
You have, obviously, NOT understood what I have meant, YET.

Also, are you now CLAIMING there are, actually, 'absolute ststement/s'?
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 12:01 am 1. Nothingness is sameness and sameness is 1. 1 and 0 equate.

2. Being at its core is without definition as the totality of being is without comparison. The no-thingness of being is the totality of being. 1 and 0 equate again as the totality is 1 and this 1 is no thing thus 0.
If it exists it is absolute. The flow of one phenomenon into another makes each phenomenon a grounding fiber that is necessary within the absolute totality of being. Without each phenomenon there is no totality and what exists as the totality is absolute given it is without comparison.

Because each phenomenon is necessary, in that it exists, each phenomenon is absolute.
Okay.
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Re: "Being" as Unconditional

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["If all emerges from matter then concepts emerge from matter as well. If matter is real then concepts are real. Furthermore we know concepts are real phenomena because the concept is able to change matter much in the same way a schematic, when applied, changes the resources into that which is being built. [/quote]



Concepts are not real in the sense that they are objects in the physical world. Feelings are not objects in the physical world and meaning is not an object or quality of the physical world, these all belong solely to a conscious biological subject. The world is cause to biological subjects and meaning is the expressed physical reaction of biological subjects, which it then bestows upon a meaningless world.
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Re: "Being" as Unconditional

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popeye1945 wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 2:17 am ["If all emerges from matter then concepts emerge from matter as well. If matter is real then concepts are real. Furthermore we know concepts are real phenomena because the concept is able to change matter much in the same way a schematic, when applied, changes the resources into that which is being built.


Concepts are not real in the sense that they are objects in the physical world. Feelings are not objects in the physical world and meaning is not an object or quality of the physical world, these all belong solely to a conscious biological subject. The world is cause to biological subjects and meaning is the expressed physical reaction of biological subjects, which it then bestows upon a meaningless world.
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Concepts result from the activities of the brain as such they are a physical event. All objects, due to change, are physical events.
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Re: "Being" as Unconditional

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[quote=Eodnhoj7 post_id=544267 time=1639094088 user_id=14533]
All being summated as context makes the context unconditional as it only relates to itself therefore only itself exists; context is absolute. Conditions are "being" and "being" is absolute as only "being" exists. Being conditioned on being is just Being; conditions are thus unconditional as only conditions exist.

Context results in further context; conditions, as context, results in further conditions. Conditions as context and contexts as conditions are being expressing itself through being. This self-reflection of the one being is absolute as being is only conditional to itself which makes it conditioned on nothing given only being exists.

Being as condition on nothing, as only being exists, makes being absolute.

To be relative to oneself is to be relative to nothing thus no relativity.
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Being is nothing more or less than being distinguished in a mind. Existence in any other sense is meaningless.
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Re: "Being" as Unconditional

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[/quote]Unless you are using your own unique language with its own definitions of knowledge and learning there can be neither knowledge or learning without language. When amoeba, fungi, flowers and trees talk, then you can explain how they learn.
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RC,

Yours is a niave perspective, do you seriously doubt that other animals, fungi, or flora have no understanding of their world and do not communicate with each other by other means other than human languages? You need to do some catch-up in biological awareness. Your living perhaps in the world of the nineteenth century here. As to the common essence of all life, many would not agree with this but the motivations I might suspect. You are related to every living thing on this planet, it is one big family tree, at least science has no doubt here. That spark of life passed on to future generations is a common act by various means by all organisms, only the structure and form is different, according to its means of adaptation to particular niches in the environment. As to the title, "Being is unconditional." the reality is, that it is all conditional, the environment is a changing condition and life itself is a condition dependent upon changing with the environment. Where there is life there is consciousness, where there is consciousness there is life.
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