Cause and Effect as Voiding

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Eodnhoj7
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Cause and Effect as Voiding

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The inversion of the cause into an effect in turn results in another cause. Causality is thus the inversion of one state into another state with this inversion being the differentiation of one phenomenon from another. Differentiation is the lacking of one set of qualities in one phenomenon with that of another. This differentiation is thus observed as the voiding of properties therefore cause an effect is voiding. Cause and effect exists through voiding, all phenomena are voided by further phenomena, therefore cause and effect exists.
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:36 pm The inversion of the cause into an effect in turn results in another cause. Causality is thus the inversion of one state into another state with this inversion being the differentiation of one phenomenon from another. Differentiation is the lacking of one set of qualities in one phenomenon with that of another. This differentiation is thus observed as the voiding of properties therefore cause an effect is voiding. Cause and effect exists through voiding, all phenomena are voided by further phenomena, therefore cause and effect exists.
Cause & effect only exist as way to think about things as a completely human function. It doesn't exist in nature having no relation to such sequences. Nature doesn't operate under conditions of cause & effect.
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Dubious wrote: Sat Sep 04, 2021 12:34 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:36 pm The inversion of the cause into an effect in turn results in another cause. Causality is thus the inversion of one state into another state with this inversion being the differentiation of one phenomenon from another. Differentiation is the lacking of one set of qualities in one phenomenon with that of another. This differentiation is thus observed as the voiding of properties therefore cause an effect is voiding. Cause and effect exists through voiding, all phenomena are voided by further phenomena, therefore cause and effect exists.
Cause & effect only exist as way to think about things as a completely human function. It doesn't exist in nature having no relation to such sequences. Nature doesn't operate under conditions of cause & effect.
Cause and effect does occur in nature. By cause we mean some set of circumstances, a “state of affairs” that precedes some other state of affairs at some probability greater than what would otherwise be expected, and with these happening under a subset of further conditions necessary to distinguish “because” “propter” from “merely after” in order to avoid the logical category of “post ergo propter”. Likewise, “objective existence” is a prevalent state in nature. If I put my socks in a drawer, close it, then open it my expectation that the socks still are there is based on the fact of temporal symmetries that actually exist in nature.

That does not mean that the reason for some cause to be, and for that cause to have an effect, and for that effect then to be is itself caused in any aspect by “nature”. The presence of cause and effect in nature cannot be explained by that nature. Rather some other principe is required sometimes called “the prime mover”, or “God”, or “Being”.

Nor is natural causality merely a way of thinking about nature. The Big Bang caused the microwave background radiation before there was any way of thinking of it, and if life that thinks had not evolved, or should it become everywhere extinct, natural causality would continue unmolested.

That it would is not certain but has been confirmed over and over with little exception. It, science, is perpetually open to novel behavior in nature ala Popper. But it has that history of experiments. You can think of the world as having no causality or even no objective existence but that does not change the facts of experience nor does it offer any explanation of the events science has documented. It is better to follow Occam.

Thinking otherwise is not scientific.
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Dubious wrote: Sat Sep 04, 2021 12:34 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:36 pm The inversion of the cause into an effect in turn results in another cause. Causality is thus the inversion of one state into another state with this inversion being the differentiation of one phenomenon from another. Differentiation is the lacking of one set of qualities in one phenomenon with that of another. This differentiation is thus observed as the voiding of properties therefore cause an effect is voiding. Cause and effect exists through voiding, all phenomena are voided by further phenomena, therefore cause and effect exists.
Cause & effect only exist as way to think about things as a completely human function. It doesn't exist in nature having no relation to such sequences. Nature doesn't operate under conditions of cause & effect.
Human functions are a part of nature.
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Sep 07, 2021 8:21 pm
Dubious wrote: Sat Sep 04, 2021 12:34 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:36 pm The inversion of the cause into an effect in turn results in another cause. Causality is thus the inversion of one state into another state with this inversion being the differentiation of one phenomenon from another. Differentiation is the lacking of one set of qualities in one phenomenon with that of another. This differentiation is thus observed as the voiding of properties therefore cause an effect is voiding. Cause and effect exists through voiding, all phenomena are voided by further phenomena, therefore cause and effect exists.
Cause & effect only exist as way to think about things as a completely human function. It doesn't exist in nature having no relation to such sequences. Nature doesn't operate under conditions of cause & effect.
Human functions are a part of nature.
Once again, nature doesn't work through cause and effect sequences. It's mainly a convenient means by which we interpret events as happening.
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Dubious wrote: Tue Sep 07, 2021 9:01 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Sep 07, 2021 8:21 pm
Dubious wrote: Sat Sep 04, 2021 12:34 am

Cause & effect only exist as way to think about things as a completely human function. It doesn't exist in nature having no relation to such sequences. Nature doesn't operate under conditions of cause & effect.
Human functions are a part of nature.
Once again, nature doesn't work through cause and effect sequences. It's mainly a convenient means by which we interpret events as happening.
Yet nature results in human functions, ie concepts/abstractions/etc.. Human functions can be seen as a subset of nature therefore cause and effect are parts of nature through the human medium.
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Sep 07, 2021 9:13 pm
Dubious wrote: Tue Sep 07, 2021 9:01 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Sep 07, 2021 8:21 pm

Human functions are a part of nature.
Once again, nature doesn't work through cause and effect sequences. It's mainly a convenient means by which we interpret events as happening.
Yet nature results in human functions, ie concepts/abstractions/etc.. Human functions can be seen as a subset of nature therefore cause and effect are parts of nature through the human medium.
We operate differently from nature; VERY differently. Nature has no concept of concepts and abstractions and it never knowingly designed humans.
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Dubious wrote: Tue Sep 07, 2021 9:26 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Sep 07, 2021 9:13 pm
Dubious wrote: Tue Sep 07, 2021 9:01 pm

Once again, nature doesn't work through cause and effect sequences. It's mainly a convenient means by which we interpret events as happening.
Yet nature results in human functions, ie concepts/abstractions/etc.. Human functions can be seen as a subset of nature therefore cause and effect are parts of nature through the human medium.
We operate differently from nature; VERY differently. Nature has no concept of concepts and abstractions and it never knowingly designed humans.
Yet humanity, through evolution, is a biproduct of nature thus concepts and abstractions are a result of said nature.
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