Gary Childress wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 4:20 am
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 3:59 am
What is the "simulation" supposed to be "simulating"?
A "simulated" apple is something that looks like a (real) apple. A "simulated" experience is one that convinces you that it's a real experience. There are always, then, two apples or two experiences, in any situation that implicates a "simulation": the
real, and the
simulated one.
But if there is only the "simulation," then it's not "simulating" anything. And then, it's not a "simulation."
If the "simulation" is the only reality, then there's nothing for it to "simulate." So even using the word "simulation" assumes the existence of two realms, not one: one reality being the original, and the "simulation" being the copy.
So the question you're asking is not if we live merely in a "simulated" reality, but also, where is the
other reality, the real one it (supposedly) "simulates"?
That's my take on it. A simulation is going to be running within a "reality." So for example without the "real" world, there can be no simulated reality called Grand Theft Auto. There would be no "place" for the simulation to be running.
Okay, so END OF STORY. What else is there here to be worked out and discovered?
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 4:20 am
Another question I think it brings up is can a character in a simulation be conscious?
How are 'you' defining the word 'conscious' here?
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 4:20 am
If we're purely characters in a simulation with no other reality than that, then how can we be conscious?
Who and/or what does the word 'we' here refer to, exactly?
And, if a character in a simulation can be conscious, then by how that is created is how 'we' can be conscious.
Also, you came to the True, Right, and Correct conclusion that;
There would be no "place" for the simulation to be running. Through and from the True, Right, and Correct premise that;
A simulation is going to be running within a 'reality'. Through and from the True, Right, and Correct logical reasoning that;
Without the 'real world', there can be no simulated reality. Yet, you do not trust your own logic and conclusion here, so you go to ask the next two illogical and nonsensical questions.
Why not just accept the FACT that without a 'real world' a 'simulated world' could not even come into existence, and then just move on and forward?
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 4:20 am
How does a wannabe simulator create consciousness?
There is NO such 'thing' as a 'wannabe simulator'. Only beings can create, or want to create, a simulator. 'you', human beings, really do need to learn to just speak thee ACTUAL Truth ONLY and ONLY thee ACTUAL Truth, that is; if you REALLY do want to learn and see thee ACTUAL Truth of 'things'.
Also, how are you defining the word 'consciousness' here?
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 4:20 am
Consciousness cannot be seen, felt, heard, etc. by an outside observer.
Can 'consciousness' be seen, felt, heard, et cetera by an inside observer? And, what is the difference between an inside and an outside observer?
Also, if you can NOT explain or can NOT back up and support what you say and mean, and/or just expect others to ASSUME and/or just KNOW what you are meaning, then WHY say things in the first place?
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 4:20 am
So how does a would-be simulation creator knowingly create consciousness? Presumably, if there is a God, then only God could do something like that.
WHY would 'you' ASSUME, or even say, such a thing?
To previous human beings what 'you' are doing now, in the days when this was written, was seen as "only God could do such things like that".
Human beings are creating, in the days when this was written, what they call, "artificial intelligence", so would stop 'you', beings, from progressing further and creating characters in video games from having 'consciousness'?
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 4:20 am
So if we are in any simulation at all, then it could (perhaps) only be a divinely created one--I would think.
Instead of you just LOOKING AT thee ACTUAL Truth ONLY. Which IS;
Without the "real" world, there can be no simulated reality called Grand Theft Auto.
So, if any simulation, like, for example, the one with that name, was running, then ALL of them would HAVE TO BE running within 'Reality, Itself.
Therefore, there is ALWAYS One True Reality, in which EVERY thing is happening.
You much prefer to 'try to' argue and fight for your OWN BELIEFS, which are VERY OBVIOUS here by the way, instead of just remaining with thee ACTUAL Truth of 'things' ONLY.