Dimebag wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 12:06 pm
What if I have a computer which can simulate things which have never exist, and could never exist in this world. Why must the things which exist in the “external world” exactly match the thing in the simulated world? It isn’t a necessary thing.
Great question. And, just as great answer.
Dimebag wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 12:06 pm
But, I think it’s the case that, our experience captures some structural information from that reality, I suppose, the primary qualities, like shape, size, position etc. Furthermore, secondary qualities, like colour or taste, are constructed based on its survival value.
This works in that because 'you', human beings, will keep evolving, and thus into the next other stage, and out of the human being stage, so that 'we' end up creating a Truly 'better world' in which 'we' can live and 'survive' in together peacefully, forever.
But, 'you', human beings, in the days when this is being written, are still a long way of FULLY understanding this. But 'you' are right in that 'your' experiences are based on 'Its' survival value. Just what 'It' is, or 'I' am, is YET to be understood and KNOWN, by most of 'you', in the day that this was written.
Dimebag wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 12:06 pm
Imagine if salty actually tasted sweet.
Then 'you', human beings, would just just change the definition for the word 'salty', or just change the name, or make up a new name, and a new definition.
Dimebag wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 12:06 pm
We would continue to eat salty things until our bodily sodium content became critical and we died.
What?
The body will do what it takes to survive.
Constructed within the dna or within the genes is a code, or a "secret", to life and living, with an instinct for survival and passing on that gene/dna. That code/life, energy, does not allow the physical body to do what will 'kill' it. That energy/life forces the physical bodies to keep living and surviving. They do this to keep the specie/s alive, (of which there is ONLY One, but that is for another time.)
Remember, 'you', human beings, are still living and existing because 'you' have evolved from the physical bodies doing what they needed to do in order to keep on living and surviving.
However, as the human body keeps evolving, and keeps evolving to consist of a Truly intelligent being within it as well, along this process the being, within, started 'thinking' that 'it' knows best, or at least better, and so can and does, at times, override what the 'instinctual knowing', KNOWS.
Human beings, themselves, can and do sometimes override the 'Intuition', or the Tutor and Teacher within, and so do do things, which inevitably kill off the individual body, which they are in. Like, for example, by eating or drinking 'that' what they SHOULD NOT.
'you', human beings, eat and do the Wrong things NOT because of the example, "if salty tasted sweet", but because 'you' just override the internal KNOWING of what is Right and Wrong in Life, with your OWN individual and personal DISTORTED BELIEFS and ASSUMPTIONS.
Oh, and by the way, do not forget about just how many of your human bodies, in the days when this was written, actually die of heart disease, which was partly or mostly due to an oversatuation of salty foods.
Some people actually do overeat salty foods because they actually prefer this taste than to sweet foods.
Dimebag wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 12:06 pm
Imagine if pain actually felt pleasant.
Then 'you', human beings, would just call 'that', and label 'it', "pleasant" instead of "painful". Or, as I pointed out before you would just change the definition of those words.
Dimebag wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 12:06 pm
We wouldn’t last long,
You can NOT just change the word, and then think that the human being would have done, and evolved, differently. Whatever is associated with what is known as 'pain', in the days when this is written, then the human body would have attempted to disassociate itself from that 'thing'.
Dimebag wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 12:06 pm
that’s for sure.
If 'you' are personally SURE, then so be it. But 'I' prefer to LOOK AT ALL of the variables, and only then decide.
See, to some, some pain does actually feel pleasant. But this is just due to the previous past experiences some have 'had to' experience and endure. And, these people keep living, and some for relatively a 'long' period, continually doing what is 'painful' to some but 'pleasant' to them.
Again, the human being has evolved to have the ability to override and do what the body INTERNALLY KNOWS is Right.
Dimebag wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 12:06 pm
And in fact, some people have such a condition which means they don’t feel pain, a rare genetic disorder, and such people tend not to have long lives. It seems an anthropic principle would explain why our experiences are as they are.
Which I partly explained above.
Dimebag wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 12:06 pm
Because if we didn’t have such experiences, we would likely not exist.
When 'you' say 'we' here are 'you' just referring to human beings only, or to ALL species?
Because when LOOKED AT and INTO ALL species have an internal 'driver' to keep living and existing. There is an internal Life force, or energy, in ALL species to keep that specie/s alive and well.
Dimebag wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 12:06 pm
This set of experiences under certain external conditions, results in behaviour which improves ones survival and reproductive odds.
So getting back to the question, do we live in a simulation. If your definition of simulation is, the thing that is being simulated must have an exact referent possessing all the same qualities as that which is simulated, absolutely not, that is absurd.
Agreed.
But "immanuel can" was on the Right track. "immanual can", unfortunately, however, just took the wrong turn in 'trying to' persuade "others" to what is ACTUALLY True and Right.
Dimebag wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 12:06 pm
But if what we mean by simulation is, there is something external which “informs” the experience, which is separate from the experience, yes. We have vision which is informed by light waves external to the eye. We have hearing which is informed by pressure waves which are external to our ear drums.
But, what is important to note is, without that external signal, the sensory organs do NOT have adequate information to convincingly simulate an experience.
Though, the mind IS capable of generating highly detailed environments completely separate from any external influence. An example is, lucid dreaming. There is NO external signal from the outside, yet, a detailed inner world is generated, along with a dream body, which can interact with that inner world.
If the brain did not do something akin to a simulation (or if you don’t like that word, a construction), the only explanation which follows the other line of reasoning is that of “astral projection”. Now, I find that hard to believe, so I’ll take the construction/simulation hypothesis.