Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 6:41 am
Age wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 11:53 am
What does the word 'illusory' mean, and/or refer to, to you?
It means not permanent. As opposed to eternally existing.
Ah okay. This explains a lot of my confusion here. See the word 'illusory', to me, means,
based on illusion; not real. So, when for example, you have been saying words, or humans, are illusory, then I was confused. But now that you have clarified it all makes perfect sense.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 6:41 am
Things existing as 'temporal' and 'eternally' are in fact unfathomable, for how does reality exist at all?
If, and when, I learn what the word 'reality' means, and/or refers to, to you, then I can better understand what you are asking here.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 6:41 am
All that can be known about that, is that is does.
If what you are referring to when you used the 'that' word here is 'reality', itself, then what else can be known about 'reality', besides that 'it' does exist, is how 'it' exists, as well as for how long 'it' has existed. Which by the way is ALREADY KNOWN.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 6:41 am
It can be experienced that there is a fundamental unchanging permanence behind illusory impermanence.
What you are saying here in the last three words is;
behind impermanent impermanence.
Unless, of course, you meant, or referred to, something else different with the word 'illusory' here?
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 6:41 am
It's obvious there is nothing in the world according to the mind of man that is permanent or eternal.
I am not sure what you mean here.
To me, it is VERY OBVIOUS, that there is something that permanent and eternal. In fact, this 'thing' could not possibly any other way.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 6:41 am
Therefore there is no proof that life is real for man. Knowledge for man is known as being both real and unreal within the duality of conceptual knowledge.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 6:41 am
Age wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 11:53 amWhat does illusion mean?
It's a meaningless word without knowing it's complimentary opposite in the same instance.
Illusion does not mean it is non-existent. It means everything exists, but it does not exist as the mind thinks it exists. It is generally believed that everything that exists in the world is real and that an illusion cannot exist within it, as a reality.
When you say, "generally" here, what does that word mean, or refer to, to you?
Who will you propose "believes that an illusion cannot exist within the world"?
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 6:41 am
This is obvious because the world could either be real or illusory and not both,
Just define the word 'world', then you should be able to instantly KNOW if 'it' is real or illusory, or part illusory and part real.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 6:41 am
illusion means a deception in a sensory perception or experience of reality.
This is a different definition than the one you gave before.
If one cannot yet decipher between what is real and what is just an illusion, then blaming something else other than that one will not help that one.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 9:39 am
Only the illusory can be enjoyed and admired and not the real.
But I can and do enjoy the real.
In fact, I can and do far more enjoy the 'real' than I do the 'illusory'.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 6:41 am
Age wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 11:53 amIf, to you, humans and the world is 'illusory', then what is left that is 'real'?
Light is real.
But light can only come from what is 'illusory', to you, correct?
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 6:41 am
And light's unreal reflection is purely an outcome of it. The real can enjoy it's own reflections. It's not that the reflections are the ones admiring and enjoying their being, because illusions are not the real.
It's not that there is only illusion and not it's complimentary known conceptual opposite, one cannot be and the other not be, both have to exist in the same instant. There has to be a clear understanding when it comes to the meaning of words like ( real and illusory ) the thinker needs to be clear whether Illusion is misunderstood as reality, or whether the mind's imagined reality is being misunderstood to be real.
I cannot even get a clear understanding of what 'illusory' means, or refers to, to 'you', thee thinker.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 6:41 am
Age wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 11:53 amSo, to you, there is NO physical matter ANYWHERE, correct?
As a known concept yes, physical matter exists.
It's not known HOW
But HOW physical matter exists IS KNOWN, ALREADY by the way.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 6:41 am
The HOW questions are unanswerable, for no one was around at the beginning or start of the universe to report the how.
But thee Universe NEVER began NOR started. To ASSUME that It did is just a DISTORTION, or an ILLUSION, of Reality.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 6:41 am
It is clear that life is the play of sound and light energy, and the world is like a screen on which life projects an illusion of a world and daily life, which is real to man. Nothing can be proved about a reality that has no
known beginning or knowledge of ending.
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This sounds like some sort of ILLUSION being projected onto the screen, which the one known as "dontaskme" is observing, and BELIEVING, as 'real'.