Lacewing wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 3:41 am
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 1:59 am
Lacewing wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 1:50 am
I see truth as a concept that humans create and use to make all kinds of choices and claims, based on their perspective or beliefs or needs at any given time. Just like ANY human concept... such as life, death, purpose... it varies vastly across humankind.
So then, what you're saying is that
LW wants to believe there's no evidence for God,
I'm saying there is no proof for a god that anyone has demonstrated.
But there's no such thing as the truth, you say, so no truth can be demonstrated, you say...?
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 1:59 am
that it's all made up by men, and that there's no such thing as objective truth.
Can you prove otherwise? [/quote]
I could, and many have; but that's really not the point at the moment. According to your theory that truth doesn't exist, your idea that it's "all made up by men" isn't true anyway. Nothing's true, remember? Truth is just what people make up from their perspective, you say.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 1:59 amBut LW is not saying that any of these claims is
objectively true. They aren't common wisdom, but rather "vary vastly across humankind."
Don't you see the vast claims and perspectives and ideas of truth across humankind and history? Or would it discredit your claims to acknowledge such a thing?
No, it would be irrelevant. It wouldn't matter how many people were wrong, so it wouldn't "discredit" anything. Remember? You don't believe in truth anyway.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 1:59 amSo nobody but LW has any reason to take them seriously...
You can take anything seriously you want to, of course. But people can question you about your claims.[/quote]
Apparently not. You can't "question" a thing if there are no true facts that can be summoned relative to it. There's no basis for any "question," then.
Wouldn't you ask for proof if someone made claims about the existence of something that they claimed applied to you, and you didn't agree with it?
Well, I would...but I'm not you. You can't. Because since you say there's no truth, there's nothing that can be summoned to "prove" anything, either way.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 1:59 amthey do not correspond to any common reality we all inhabit, and they are not asserted as objective truths, but only as "a concept...based on perspective or beliefs or needs..." and only for "a given time."
Can you demonstrate otherwise?
It's not my claim: it's yours. If you provide no support for it, and in fact, deny that truth is even relevant to it, then your point of view can only be viewed as trivial. It's worse than
unsupported...it denies that support is even possible.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 1:59 amLW, at this "given time" feels a "need," based on her "perspective" to believe the three above claims.
I don't feel a need. I've not seen anything to suggest otherwise.
Well, you haven't seen many, many things. The same could be said of anyone. But that doesn't mean those things don't exist, or that we have reason to deny that they do. It just means that, at the moment, those things are not part of our personal experience...yet.
So you've never been to Boston, say. That doesn't mean there's no Boston. It doesn't even mean you're justified in being a Boston-skeptic until you get there. It just means you don't personally know.