Quantum Theories

[Dontaskme]

"If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?"

All answers are welcome. This thread is just for fun.

[Impenitent]

no more sound than when the bear scratches its bark

-Imp

[Walker]

All things, including sound or fun, are compounded things. Sound is comprised of three components. Vibrations, a medium of transmission such as air or water or earth, and a receiver of the vibrations. When one of the components is missing, there is no sound.

In the unoccupied forest, vibration is present, the medium for transmission is present, but the receiver is not present, therefore there is no sound.

In outer space the vibration is present, the receiver is present, but the medium of transmission is not present, therefore there is no sound.

The naturally occurring principle can be extended. For instance, if a thought is written but the receiver is tuned to static, the thought is unheard. In order to hear the thought obscured by static, the receiver can change the frequency of reception, or the receiver can insist that the transmission words change, however insisting won’t stop a falling tree, as Old Man Stamper found out in Sometimes A Great Notion. So did Old Man Spencer in Spencer's Mountain. What's with these old guys that they lose track of falling trees?

[Dontaskme]

"If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?"

All answers are welcome. This thread is just for fun.

The answer is simply a RE-sounding NO

A tree has no ears, nor does a tree know it has fallen.

No one is a round, and no one can hear sound, and no one can know a tree has fallen.




NO ONE never sees a tree.

NO ONE never hears a sound.

Knowledge can only point to the illusory nature of reality.

Art is natural, nature is artificial.



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[Ansiktsburk]

Yeah, and Berkely thought that all was an illusion but i guess he moved out of the way when a horse came running, or whatever examples one can find from that pre car time.
When does a discussion like the tree in the OP really become interesting? If 300 guys dies in a aeroplane crash what do I care until oops one was a neighbour. Actually had that experience. The tree suddenly became visible.

[Dontaskme]

When does a discussion like the tree in the OP really become interesting?

When it gets your attention. Which it obviously has. If there was nothing to look at, then there would be no observer to observe.

The observer is not what is being observed. If it was, then the question wouldn't need to be asked, the tree would already know the answer.

[Age]

"If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?"

All answers are welcome. This thread is just for fun.

If you put a camera and microphone in the forest, and wait long enough, then you will find out.

[Dontaskme]

"If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?"

All answers are welcome. This thread is just for fun.

If you put a camera and microphone in the forest, and wait long enough, then you will find out.

Cameras and microphones record data. The machines themselves do not hear or see anything.

There is here only recorded echoes of events....not actual real-time events...knowing or knowledge known is on demand via memory aka dead and gone. The knower observer is an illusion appearing real as an echo only, an auditory illusion of light and sound.

[henry quirk]

vibrations that travel through the air or another medium and can be heard when they reach a person's or animal's ear

can be heard

can, not must

As I see it: the vibrations that travel through the air or another medium is sound, full-stop.

Really, anyone here seriously want to argue that a deaf man hikin' thru the woods isn't surrounded by sounds becuz he can't hear them?

No, the sounds are there, he simply can't hear them.

Anyone here really want to argue becuz I can't hear a dog whistle, the whistle makes no sound?

Fido, if he could, would call you liar or fool.

It's silliness like...

"If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?"

...that leads to the nutjobbery like solipsism.

[Dontaskme]

You do not live the senses. You describe the senses by words. Words are auditory illusions of sound and light.
The ear and the eye are instruments of sound and light, not the hearer, or the seer.

Even the computer reminds us of this wisdom of life.

The computer works on electricity (light) in digital format signals. This implies that images, letters and words are illusions of light on a computer in daily life. Similarly, in daily-life light-rays that enter the eye appear as images, letters and words in the mind as well. This implies that images, letters and words are illusions of light in the mind in daily life. The mind is a computer of life that works on sunlight, just as computer works solely on electricity and electricity is light. Also every atom of everything that exists is light.

[Dontaskme]

...that leads to the nutjobbery like solipsism.

Solipsism is an auditory illusion of sound and light heard as a word with meaning, an illusory meaning, but a meaning nonetheless that means nothing or everything or both, or neither, to no one.

Thoughts appear as images in the mind or on a computer. Life is a play of light and sound, a simulated illusory phenomena. HaL
A sensory experience of something that does not exist outside the mind.

[Dontaskme]

Religion, as well, has indicated that God is omnipresent, omnipotent and omniscient. Science has provided the evidence that light is omnipresent, omnipotent and omniscient as well, because every atom of everything that exists is light.

This implies that God is light, and it is obvious that the inherent characteristic of light is to reflect an illusion, for example the mirror, because every atom of the mirror is light and every atom of the image that it reflects is light as well. Therefore, the image that a mirror reflects is illusory and not real.

[Dontaskme]

The full quote from Dr. George Berkeley, an Anglican Bishop and philosopher in the 1600s, was this: “If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?" The answer, according to George, is that yes, it did make a sound, because God heard it.

God is a word with associated meaning, an auditory illusion of the senses known within a mind. No mind, no knowledge.

Trees do not have a mind. The trees image is made of mind into a concept known, an auditory illusion of sound and light. The tree is an illusory image of the imageless. The mind is the prism through which the mind of man has become conditioned to experience and evaluate the world of images as unreal things appearing real.


The seer, seeing and seen are one. The tree and you are essentially one and the same in the instantaneous moment.

ONE is no one and everyone, everywhere, all at once, one without a second.

The knowledge of the tree making a sound is conceptually known as an echo of the mind. An hallucination of the brain.

A conceptual thing is never seen. It's only KNOWN artificially as a word...which is an auditory illusion of light and sound.

[Ansiktsburk]

When does a discussion like the tree in the OP really become interesting?

When it gets your attention. Which it obviously has. If there was nothing to look at, then there would be no observer to observe.

The observer is not what is being observed. If it was, then the question wouldn't need to be asked, the tree would already know the answer.

When I say “interesting” I mean, at what point do the discussion becomes fruiful for things in life outside of just being a subject for penis measuring argumentation?

[Dontaskme]

When does a discussion like the tree in the OP really become interesting?

When it gets your attention. Which it obviously has. If there was nothing to look at, then there would be no observer to observe.

The observer is not what is being observed. If it was, then the question wouldn't need to be asked, the tree would already know the answer.

When I say “interesting” I mean, at what point do the discussion becomes fruiful for things in life outside of just being a subject for penis measuring argumentation?

Distraction,staves off the void.