I think so.
Infinity is real
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So the substance that comprises space in your view is "formation of a substance"???
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Yes.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 2:02 pmSo the substance that comprises space in your view is "formation of a substance"???bahman wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 1:41 pmFormation of a substance.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 1:37 pm
And what definition of "information" are you using?
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Isn't "formation" in "formation of a substance" a verb?
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Sorry, I have to correct your sentence: "So the information (not substance) that comprises space in your view is "formation of a substance"???". The answer to this question is yes.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 8:04 pmIsn't "formation" in "formation of a substance" a verb?bahman wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 7:57 pmYes.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 2:02 pm
So the substance that comprises space in your view is "formation of a substance"???
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Okay, but then we have a problem.bahman wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 8:12 pmSorry, I have to correct your sentence: "So the information (not substance) that comprises space in your view is "formation of a substance"???". The answer to this question is yes.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 8:04 pmIsn't "formation" in "formation of a substance" a verb?
Again, I said, "You're claiming that space exists and has properties. I'm asking you to specify what exists and has properties without just repeating the word 'space.'"
You suggested that the answer to this question would be "information."
So you're saying that "space" refers to something that's a verb--that is, an action on something, rather than referring to something that's itself a substance?
Otherwise you either need to suggest something else for what space is, or we need to revise the claim that information would be a verb/an action (namely, the formation of a substance).
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I am saying that space has texture. It is not just empty volume. What is the texture? The information that exists as a form of a substance. What is information? Formation of a substance. Simply what is there space, that has texture, has a form.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 8:25 pmOkay, but then we have a problem.bahman wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 8:12 pmSorry, I have to correct your sentence: "So the information (not substance) that comprises space in your view is "formation of a substance"???". The answer to this question is yes.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 8:04 pm
Isn't "formation" in "formation of a substance" a verb?
Again, I said, "You're claiming that space exists and has properties. I'm asking you to specify what exists and has properties without just repeating the word 'space.'"
You suggested that the answer to this question would be "information."
So you're saying that "space" refers to something that's a verb--that is, an action on something, rather than referring to something that's itself a substance?
Otherwise you either need to suggest something else for what space is, or we need to revise the claim that information would be a verb/an action (namely, the formation of a substance).
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Yes this is Correct, True, and Right, and therefore thee ACTUAL Truth of 'things'.
But I do NOT 'believe'. So, I do NOT 'believe' that the Universe is eternal. We have gone through this before. Have you forgotten already?bahman wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 11:27 amOk.
The universe has a beginning. So you are wrong in your belief that it is eternal.Age wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:14 amThere is NO 'my' proof.
What ACTUALLY exists is thee proof.
If 'you', human beings agree with and accept that EVERY 'thing' was caused by some 'thing', then that is thee ACTUAL proof thee Universe is 'eternal', and, if 'you', human beings agree with and accept that thee Universe can NOT be bounded, then that is thee ACTUAL proof thee Universe is 'infinite'.
Now, if ANY disagrees with either of these, then EXPLAIN HOW some 'thing' can be caused by NO 'thing' and/or HOW there could be a boundary.
If there is NO logical explanation for HOW either could be, then there is "your" logical proof that thee Universe is 'infinite' AND 'eternal'.
As for empirical proof, we can LOOK AT and DISCUSS this later.
Do you have ACTUAL proof that the Universe began?
If yes, then WHY is that said and CLAIMED "proof" NOT agreed with and NOT accepted by "others"?
Are you aware that if you did have ACTUAL 'proof', then 'that' would be irrefutable, and thus could be agreed with and accepted by EVERY one?
What you say and CLAIM is NOT accepted and NOT agreed with by EVERY one. And this is BECAUSE NOT all of what you say is Right, True, NOR Correct, (as can be proven true). Although this is obviously contrary to what you BELIEVE is true. Do you understand this FACT?
Because there is absolutely NOTHING that could bound It.
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Yet you can NOT provide "it".bahman wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 11:33 amBecause I have a solid argument for it.
Yes, including yourself that think that the universe is eternal.
The proof is there.
And until you CAN provide ACTUAL proof, you are just going to continue FAULTING and FAILING, like you have been here.
Really?
So, where are these, alleged and supposed, "living beings" called "dracula", "dragons", and "unicorns"?
Also, WHY is it only 'you', "bahman", here who BELIEVES that these 'things' are ACTUAL 'living beings'?
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Cool.
It is your belief. We have already been through this.Age wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:14 amBut I do NOT 'believe'. So, I do NOT 'believe' that the Universe is eternal. We have gone through this before. Have you forgotten already?bahman wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 11:27 amOk.
The universe has a beginning. So you are wrong in your belief that it is eternal.Age wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:14 am
There is NO 'my' proof.
What ACTUALLY exists is thee proof.
If 'you', human beings agree with and accept that EVERY 'thing' was caused by some 'thing', then that is thee ACTUAL proof thee Universe is 'eternal', and, if 'you', human beings agree with and accept that thee Universe can NOT be bounded, then that is thee ACTUAL proof thee Universe is 'infinite'.
Now, if ANY disagrees with either of these, then EXPLAIN HOW some 'thing' can be caused by NO 'thing' and/or HOW there could be a boundary.
If there is NO logical explanation for HOW either could be, then there is "your" logical proof that thee Universe is 'infinite' AND 'eternal'.
As for empirical proof, we can LOOK AT and DISCUSS this later.
Do you have ACTUAL proof that the Universe began?
If yes, then WHY is that said and CLAIMED "proof" NOT agreed with and NOT accepted by "others"?
Are you aware that if you did have ACTUAL 'proof', then 'that' would be irrefutable, and thus could be agreed with and accepted by EVERY one?
What you say and CLAIM is NOT accepted and NOT agreed with by EVERY one. And this is BECAUSE NOT all of what you say is Right, True, NOR Correct, (as can be proven true). Although this is obviously contrary to what you BELIEVE is true. Do you understand this FACT?
What do you mean? That is not reasoning.
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Do you understand my argument?Age wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 9:06 pmYet you can NOT provide "it".
And until you CAN provide ACTUAL proof, you are just going to continue FAULTING and FAILING, like you have been here.
They are a living being as a matter of necessity, the whole is boundless.
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ALL ARE what is agreed upon. As with the case for EVERY 'thing'.Skepdick wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 12:40 pmWhat does that question even mean?Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 12:33 pm So in other words, you're just claiming it exists period. Which was already the point under contention.
So, what has properties, exactly? (Don't answer "space," lol--I'm asking you what it is, exactly)
What is ANYTHING exactly?
What is a cat exactly?
What is Earth exactly?
What are you exactly?
What is existence exactly?
Show me ANY one who 'demands' ANY 'thing' and I will show you an INCOMPLETE One.
If 'you' can NOT YET automatically SEE precision in language, then you are obviously just LOOKING the WRONG WAY.
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How does this, supposedly, 'logically' follow?
Obviously there can NOT actually be an 'effect' before a 'cause'. There can be, of course, however, a 'perceived' 'effect' without a 'cause'. But this does NOT mean that there was an 'effect' without a 'cause'. If one BELIEVES that it is possible to get 'effects' before 'causes', then this just means that one is NOT LOOKING and NOT SEEING ACCURATELY and CORRECTLY.
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But if you were to LOOK AT 'things' this way, then you will NEVER get to thee ACTUAL Truth of 'things'.Skepdick wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 12:42 pmHe could be talking about anything.
When he demands ontological precision he's run out of sophistry.
In the most approximate/general sense (and from the lens of complexity theory) space is memory.
Or if you are a mathematically inclined - it's a topology.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_complexity
By the way, if you are actually intelligently inclined, then space is something completely different.