Infinity is real

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bahman wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 12:41 pm He is talking about space.
He could be talking about anything.

When he demands ontological precision he's run out of sophistry.

In the most approximate/general sense (and from the lens of complexity theory) space is memory.
Or if you are a mathematically inclined - it's a topology.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_complexity
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bahman wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 12:37 pm
Terrapin Station wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 12:33 pm
bahman wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 12:30 pm It has properties. Even pure vacume, classical regime, has a volume.
So in other words, you're just claiming it exists period. Which was already the point under contention.

So, what has properties, exactly? (Don't answer "space," lol--I'm asking you what it is, exactly)
Well, I already mentioned. The information spread with the speed of light in space. That means that space has texture. Information spreads with the speed of infinity in pure vacume.
Is the what of what has properties information then? Texture?
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Skepdick wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 12:42 pm
bahman wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 12:37 pm Well, I already mentioned. The information spread with the speed of light in space. That means that space has texture. Information spreads with the speed of infinity in pure vacume.
Information never spreads faster than the speed of light - it's always bound by causality.

If you could violate this bound you'd effectively get time travel. Effects before causes.
You cannot time travel in the classical regime either since the speed of light is infinite either.
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Skepdick wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 12:42 pm
bahman wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 12:41 pm He is talking about space.
He could be talking about anything.

When he demands ontological precision he's run out of sophistry.

In the most approximate/general sense (and from the lens of complexity theory) space is memory.
Or if you are a mathematically inclined - it's a topology.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_complexity
What memory space holds?
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Terrapin Station wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 12:53 pm
bahman wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 12:37 pm
Terrapin Station wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 12:33 pm

So in other words, you're just claiming it exists period. Which was already the point under contention.

So, what has properties, exactly? (Don't answer "space," lol--I'm asking you what it is, exactly)
Well, I already mentioned. The information spread with the speed of light in space. That means that space has texture. Information spreads with the speed of infinity in pure vacume.
Is the what of what has properties information then? Texture?
What do you mean?
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bahman wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 1:04 pm
Terrapin Station wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 12:53 pm
bahman wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 12:37 pm
Well, I already mentioned. The information spread with the speed of light in space. That means that space has texture. Information spreads with the speed of infinity in pure vacume.
Is the what of what has properties information then? Texture?
What do you mean?
I wrote this already. I asked you "what has properties, exactly? (Don't answer 'space,' lol--I'm asking you what it is, exactly)"

Was "information" your answer to what has properties, exactly? "Texture," maybe?
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Terrapin Station wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 1:08 pm
bahman wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 1:04 pm
Terrapin Station wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 12:53 pm
Is the what of what has properties information then? Texture?
What do you mean?
I wrote this already. I asked you "what has properties, exactly? (Don't answer 'space,' lol--I'm asking you what it is, exactly)"

Was "information" your answer to what has properties, exactly? "Texture," maybe?
To be honest I don't know for sure where the texture comes from. It is a topic that I am already thinking about. Texture maybe is due to information about the past and future that is held within space!?
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bahman wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 1:16 pm
Terrapin Station wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 1:08 pm
bahman wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 1:04 pm
What do you mean?
I wrote this already. I asked you "what has properties, exactly? (Don't answer 'space,' lol--I'm asking you what it is, exactly)"

Was "information" your answer to what has properties, exactly? "Texture," maybe?
To be honest I don't know for sure where the texture comes from. It is a topic that I am already thinking about. Texture maybe is due to information about the past and future that is held within space!?
Sometimes I wonder if there aren't language issues at play here. I'm guessing English isn't your first language?
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Terrapin Station wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 1:18 pm
bahman wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 1:16 pm
Terrapin Station wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 1:08 pm

I wrote this already. I asked you "what has properties, exactly? (Don't answer 'space,' lol--I'm asking you what it is, exactly)"

Was "information" your answer to what has properties, exactly? "Texture," maybe?
To be honest I don't know for sure where the texture comes from. It is a topic that I am already thinking about. Texture maybe is due to information about the past and future that is held within space!?
Sometimes I wonder if there aren't language issues at play here. I'm guessing English isn't your first language?
So there is a problem. Could you rephrase your question, please?
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bahman wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 1:20 pm
Terrapin Station wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 1:18 pm
bahman wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 1:16 pm
To be honest I don't know for sure where the texture comes from. It is a topic that I am already thinking about. Texture maybe is due to information about the past and future that is held within space!?
Sometimes I wonder if there aren't language issues at play here. I'm guessing English isn't your first language?
So there is a problem. Could you rephrase your question, please?
You're claiming that space exists and has properties. I'm asking you to specify what exists and has properties without just repeating the word "space."
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Terrapin Station wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 1:22 pm
bahman wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 1:20 pm
Terrapin Station wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 1:18 pm
Sometimes I wonder if there aren't language issues at play here. I'm guessing English isn't your first language?
So there is a problem. Could you rephrase your question, please?
You're claiming that space exists and has properties. I'm asking you to specify what exists and has properties without just repeating the word "space."
Information maybe in a pure vacuum. I don't know another alternative.
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bahman wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 1:32 pm
Terrapin Station wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 1:22 pm
bahman wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 1:20 pm
So there is a problem. Could you rephrase your question, please?
You're claiming that space exists and has properties. I'm asking you to specify what exists and has properties without just repeating the word "space."
Information maybe in a pure vacuum. I don't know another alternative.
And what definition of "information" are you using?
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Terrapin Station wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 1:37 pm
bahman wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 1:32 pm
Terrapin Station wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 1:22 pm
You're claiming that space exists and has properties. I'm asking you to specify what exists and has properties without just repeating the word "space."
Information maybe in a pure vacuum. I don't know another alternative.
And what definition of "information" are you using?
Formation of a substance.
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Terrapin Station wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 1:37 pm And what definition of "information" are you using?
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bahman wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 1:16 pm To be honest I don't know for sure where the texture comes from. It is a topic that I am already thinking about. Texture maybe is due to information about the past and future that is held within space!?
Information is the texture.

Entropy is uniform.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle ... um_entropy
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