Does the phrase 'pure vacuum' imply there is nothing, and thus NOT some 'thing', like 'information', for example?bahman wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 1:32 pmInformation maybe in a pure vacuum. I don't know another alternative.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 1:22 pmYou're claiming that space exists and has properties. I'm asking you to specify what exists and has properties without just repeating the word "space."
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Pure vacuum implies that there is nothing in it. The pure vacuum is not nothing.Age wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 9:26 pmDoes the phrase 'pure vacuum' imply there is nothing, and thus NOT some 'thing', like 'information', for example?bahman wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 1:32 pmInformation maybe in a pure vacuum. I don't know another alternative.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 1:22 pm
You're claiming that space exists and has properties. I'm asking you to specify what exists and has properties without just repeating the word "space."
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No we have NOT.bahman wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 9:07 pmCool.
It is your belief. We have already been through this.Age wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:14 amBut I do NOT 'believe'. So, I do NOT 'believe' that the Universe is eternal. We have gone through this before. Have you forgotten already?
Do you have ACTUAL proof that the Universe began?
If yes, then WHY is that said and CLAIMED "proof" NOT agreed with and NOT accepted by "others"?
Are you aware that if you did have ACTUAL 'proof', then 'that' would be irrefutable, and thus could be agreed with and accepted by EVERY one?
What you say and CLAIM is NOT accepted and NOT agreed with by EVERY one. And this is BECAUSE NOT all of what you say is Right, True, NOR Correct, (as can be proven true). Although this is obviously contrary to what you BELIEVE is true. Do you understand this FACT?
You are COMPLETELY FREE to BELIEVE whatever you want to BELIEVE. But you will ALWAYS BE WRONG whenever you make CLAIMS like you have here just now. I say this just so that you ARE AWARE.
If the word 'Universe' literally means Everything or ALL-THERE-IS, then 'that' can NOT, logically, be bounded, OBVIOUSLY.
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What argument?
Also, was 'it' a sound and valid argument?
Talk about 'NOT reasoning'.bahman wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 9:10 pmThey are a living being as a matter of necessity, the whole is boundless.
They are, allegedly and supposedly, a 'necessity' to 'what', EXACTLY?
If the whole is boundless, or bounded, then this has absolutely NOTHING AT ALL to do whether some 'thing' exists as a real 'living thing' or not.
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It is alright. You could stay in the state of denial.Age wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 9:33 pmNo we have NOT.bahman wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 9:07 pmCool.
It is your belief. We have already been through this.Age wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:14 am
But I do NOT 'believe'. So, I do NOT 'believe' that the Universe is eternal. We have gone through this before. Have you forgotten already?
Do you have ACTUAL proof that the Universe began?
If yes, then WHY is that said and CLAIMED "proof" NOT agreed with and NOT accepted by "others"?
Are you aware that if you did have ACTUAL 'proof', then 'that' would be irrefutable, and thus could be agreed with and accepted by EVERY one?
What you say and CLAIM is NOT accepted and NOT agreed with by EVERY one. And this is BECAUSE NOT all of what you say is Right, True, NOR Correct, (as can be proven true). Although this is obviously contrary to what you BELIEVE is true. Do you understand this FACT?
You are COMPLETELY FREE to BELIEVE whatever you want to BELIEVE. But you will ALWAYS BE WRONG whenever you make CLAIMS like you have here just now. I say this just so that you ARE AWARE.
That really is not really an argument. ALl there is could be finite. What is wrong with that?
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Please read OP here. Of course they are sound arguments.
Necessary to exist.
It has.
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Why do you believe that I believe that?
If you travel 14 gigaparsecs in any direction what would be observable to you won't be the same stuff that's observable to Earthlings.
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OK Age.Age wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 9:21 pm How does this, supposedly, 'logically' follow?
Obviously there can NOT actually be an 'effect' before a 'cause'. There can be, of course, however, a 'perceived' 'effect' without a 'cause'. But this does NOT mean that there was an 'effect' without a 'cause'. If one BELIEVES that it is possible to get 'effects' before 'causes', then this just means that one is NOT LOOKING and NOT SEEING ACCURATELY and CORRECTLY.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_c ... tum_eraser
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Why does it need "revisiting"?Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 8:25 pm So you're saying that "space" refers to something that's a verb--that is, an action on something, rather than referring to something that's itself a substance?
Otherwise you either need to suggest something else for what space is, or we need to revise the claim that information would be a verb/an action (namely, the formation of a substance).
The entire tradition of Western thought thinks in nouns in a universe that has none.
You morons forgot about change and time. Everything is a verb. Being is a verb.
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SO, 'you' BELIEVE that you can tell me what thoughts are occurring here in this head, which I tell you they are NOT and so YOU ARE WRONG, but yet you want to then tell me that I am in a "state of denial". LOLbahman wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 9:38 pmIt is alright. You could stay in the state of denial.
Who is in ACTUAL 'denial' here is OBVIOUS, NOW.
LOL 'bounded' by 'what', EXACTLY?
AND, how far out does that 'boundary' expand? Or, what is on the other side of that boundary, and then how far out does 'that' expand for?
Also, do NOT forget that ALL of these, laughably called "boundaries", are still just a part of the WHOLE Everything.
SEE, no matter which way you want to LOOK AT this you will ALWAYS arrive at ALL-THERE-IS being INFINITE, as well as ETERNAL by the way.
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But NOT 'valid', correct?
By the way, I have ALREADY EXPLAINED and SHOWN how those, so called, "arguments" do NOT work, AT ALL. But because of those BELIEFS, within that head, you are COMPLETELY and UTTERLY BLINDED from SEEING this.
LOL
'you', "bahman", are an expert at 'circular reasoning'.
HOW EXACTLY?
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1. I do NOT 'believe' that.
2. I am just asking for CLARITY whether you 'believe' that or not.
Your refusal to just answer a VERY SIMPLE and VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD question REVEALS more about 'you' than 'I'.
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You.Age wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 10:25 pmSO, 'you' BELIEVE that you can tell me what thoughts are occurring here in this head, which I tell you they are NOT and so YOU ARE WRONG, but yet you want to then tell me that I am in a "state of denial". LOL
Who is in ACTUAL 'denial' here is OBVIOUS, NOW.
Don't you see? You are arguing the same way I argue.Age wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:14 amLOL 'bounded' by 'what', EXACTLY?
AND, how far out does that 'boundary' expand? Or, what is on the other side of that boundary, and then how far out does 'that' expand for?
Also, do NOT forget that ALL of these, laughably called "boundaries", are still just a part of the WHOLE Everything.
SEE, no matter which way you want to LOOK AT this you will ALWAYS arrive at ALL-THERE-IS being INFINITE, as well as ETERNAL by the way.