What is there, which is NOT 'physical'?
"I think therefore I am" as a statement of change
Re: "I think therefore I am" as a statement of change
What has the 'I' here, supposedly and allegedly, changed into, and from, EXACTLY?Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 2:39 amYes.attofishpi wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 2:07 amI'm not sure I follow. Are you saying that I am conscious of observing an apple, but then I look at at orange..that the 'I' has changed?
Re: "I think therefore I am" as a statement of change
Re: "I think therefore I am" as a statement of change
It has changed into the action and form which it has committed.Age wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 3:34 amWhat has the 'I' here, supposedly and allegedly, changed into, and from, EXACTLY?Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 2:39 amYes.attofishpi wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 2:07 am
I'm not sure I follow. Are you saying that I am conscious of observing an apple, but then I look at at orange..that the 'I' has changed?
Re: "I think therefore I am" as a statement of change
If abstractions are NOT physical, then what are they, EXACTLY?
Re: "I think therefore I am" as a statement of change
So, in the EXAMPLE which we are talking about, which was; "I am conscious of observing an apple, but then I look at at orange",
what action and form have 'I', supposedly and allegedly, changed into and from EXACTLY in this provided EXAMPLE, which you are DIRECTLY responding to anyway, by the way?
Are 'you' suggesting that the 'I' has changed FROM being a 'consciousness' of "observing an apple"? And, if yes, then who and/or what is doing the observing, and, who and/or what is doing the consciousness of the observing, itself.
Also, are 'you' suggesting that the 'I' has changed INTO a "looking at an orange"?
If yes, then how EXACTLY do 'I' become a 'looking'?
But if no, to any or all of these, then what are you suggesting and/or saying and meaning, EXACTLY?
Re: "I think therefore I am" as a statement of change
Abstractions as non physical. Abstraction is.
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Re: "I think therefore I am" as a statement of change
The intellect changes into what it observes be it the apple or orange given the act of observation is the act of mirroring a phenomenon. This mirroring of the phenomenon is the repetition in a new state whether it is thought (in this case), word or deed. Looking is mirroring.Age wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 3:05 pmSo, in the EXAMPLE which we are talking about, which was; "I am conscious of observing an apple, but then I look at at orange",
what action and form have 'I', supposedly and allegedly, changed into and from EXACTLY in this provided EXAMPLE, which you are DIRECTLY responding to anyway, by the way?
Are 'you' suggesting that the 'I' has changed FROM being a 'consciousness' of "observing an apple"? And, if yes, then who and/or what is doing the observing, and, who and/or what is doing the consciousness of the observing, itself.
Also, are 'you' suggesting that the 'I' has changed INTO a "looking at an orange"?
If yes, then how EXACTLY do 'I' become a 'looking'?
But if no, to any or all of these, then what are you suggesting and/or saying and meaning, EXACTLY?
Re: "I think therefore I am" as a statement of change
LOL MOREEodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 1:48 amThe intellect changes into what it observes be it the apple or orange given the act of observation is the act of mirroring a phenomenon. This mirroring of the phenomenon is the repetition in a new state whether it is thought (in this case), word or deed. Looking is mirroring.Age wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 3:05 pmSo, in the EXAMPLE which we are talking about, which was; "I am conscious of observing an apple, but then I look at at orange",
what action and form have 'I', supposedly and allegedly, changed into and from EXACTLY in this provided EXAMPLE, which you are DIRECTLY responding to anyway, by the way?
Are 'you' suggesting that the 'I' has changed FROM being a 'consciousness' of "observing an apple"? And, if yes, then who and/or what is doing the observing, and, who and/or what is doing the consciousness of the observing, itself.
Also, are 'you' suggesting that the 'I' has changed INTO a "looking at an orange"?
If yes, then how EXACTLY do 'I' become a 'looking'?
But if no, to any or all of these, then what are you suggesting and/or saying and meaning, EXACTLY?
Re: "I think therefore I am" as a statement of change
And you have no argument.Age wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 11:30 amLOL MOREEodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 1:48 amThe intellect changes into what it observes be it the apple or orange given the act of observation is the act of mirroring a phenomenon. This mirroring of the phenomenon is the repetition in a new state whether it is thought (in this case), word or deed. Looking is mirroring.Age wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 3:05 pm
So, in the EXAMPLE which we are talking about, which was; "I am conscious of observing an apple, but then I look at at orange",
what action and form have 'I', supposedly and allegedly, changed into and from EXACTLY in this provided EXAMPLE, which you are DIRECTLY responding to anyway, by the way?
Are 'you' suggesting that the 'I' has changed FROM being a 'consciousness' of "observing an apple"? And, if yes, then who and/or what is doing the observing, and, who and/or what is doing the consciousness of the observing, itself.
Also, are 'you' suggesting that the 'I' has changed INTO a "looking at an orange"?
If yes, then how EXACTLY do 'I' become a 'looking'?
But if no, to any or all of these, then what are you suggesting and/or saying and meaning, EXACTLY?