You're not understanding me then. I asked you why something else--something outside of a system, can't simultaneously be in some state. So, for example at the same time, my computer is running software that enables me to type this and my stereo is playing music.bahman wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:48 pmI am trying to say that a system at a given point cannot be this and that.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:39 pmI'm presuming you'd say that everything extant is the same "system" then?
The system can have one parameter. Like a falling particle.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:39 pm Per what is the system at any point defined by a set of parameters, and where there can't be more than one parameter at a given time?
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I am focusing on one system for sake of argument. There are a lot of systems. It could be you, your computer, etc. Whatever your system is it cannot be in this and that state at the same time.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:52 pmYou're not understanding me then. I asked you why something else--something outside of a system, can't simultaneously be in some state. So, for example at the same time, my computer is running software that enables me to type this and my stereo is playing music.bahman wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:48 pmI am trying to say that a system at a given point cannot be this and that.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:39 pm
I'm presuming you'd say that everything extant is the same "system" then?
The system can have one parameter. Like a falling particle.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:39 pm Per what is the system at any point defined by a set of parameters, and where there can't be more than one parameter at a given time?
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Okay, but would you say that nothing can be simultaneous between two systems?bahman wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:55 pmI am focusing on one system for sake of argument. There are a lot of systems. It could be you, your computer, etc. Whatever your system is it cannot be in this and that state at the same time.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:52 pmYou're not understanding me then. I asked you why something else--something outside of a system, can't simultaneously be in some state. So, for example at the same time, my computer is running software that enables me to type this and my stereo is playing music.
Also, so with my computer, it can't be, say, illuminating the power light and sending a signal to the monitor at the same time?
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No, I didn't say so.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:57 pmOkay, but would you say that nothing can be simultaneous between two systems?bahman wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:55 pmI am focusing on one system for sake of argument. There are a lot of systems. It could be you, your computer, etc. Whatever your system is it cannot be in this and that state at the same time.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:52 pm
You're not understanding me then. I asked you why something else--something outside of a system, can't simultaneously be in some state. So, for example at the same time, my computer is running software that enables me to type this and my stereo is playing music.
Sending signal takes time but at any given point signal is in a given state and not another state.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:57 pm Also, so with my computer, it can't be, say, illuminating the power light and sending a signal to the monitor at the same time?
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Then you probably shouldn't word the subject line so generally.bahman wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:07 pmNo, I didn't say so.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:57 pmOkay, but would you say that nothing can be simultaneous between two systems?
Not what I asked you. Can the computer both be illuminating the power button and sending a video signal at the same time? Yes or no.Sending signal takes time but at any given point signal is in a given state and not another state.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:57 pm Also, so with my computer, it can't be, say, illuminating the power light and sending a signal to the monitor at the same time?
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You can always add more systems. More systems, more parameters.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:10 pmThen you probably shouldn't word the subject line so generally.bahman wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:07 pmNo, I didn't say so.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:57 pm
Okay, but would you say that nothing can be simultaneous between two systems?
You can use the signal for power. It also carries information for your monitor. Regardless, the signal at any given point is at one state.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:10 pmNot what I asked you. Can the computer both be illuminating the power button and sending a video signal at the same time? Yes or no.Sending signal takes time but at any given point signal is in a given state and not another state.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:57 pm Also, so with my computer, it can't be, say, illuminating the power light and sending a signal to the monitor at the same time?
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Was that a yes or a no?bahman wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:18 pmYou can always add more systems. More systems, more parameters.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:10 pmThen you probably shouldn't word the subject line so generally.
You can use the signal for power. It also carries information for your monitor. Regardless, the signal at any given point is at one state.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:10 pmNot what I asked you. Can the computer both be illuminating the power button and sending a video signal at the same time? Yes or no.
Sending signal takes time but at any given point signal is in a given state and not another state.
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The signal carry power in form of information.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:26 pmWas that a yes or a no?bahman wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:18 pmYou can always add more systems. More systems, more parameters.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:10 pm
Then you probably shouldn't word the subject line so generally.
You can use the signal for power. It also carries information for your monitor. Regardless, the signal at any given point is at one state.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:10 pm
Not what I asked you. Can the computer both be illuminating the power button and sending a video signal at the same time? Yes or no.
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Do you not understand English?bahman wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:31 pmThe signal carry power in form of information.
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Your question is wrong. You cannot answer that with yes or no because the signal and the information are the same things. You want to say that they are different therefore two things can happen at the same time.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:36 pmDo you not understand English?
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You're saying that illuminating the power light and the signal or information or whatever you want to call it going to the monitor are the same thing?bahman wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:44 pmYour question is wrong. You cannot answer that with yes or no because the signal and the information are the same things. You want to say that they are different therefore two things can happen at the same time.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:36 pmDo you not understand English?
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My monitor uses two cables one for signal and another one for power. How is yours?Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:49 pmYou're saying that illuminating the power light and the signal or information or whatever you want to call it going to the monitor are the same thing?bahman wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:44 pmYour question is wrong. You cannot answer that with yes or no because the signal and the information are the same things. You want to say that they are different therefore two things can happen at the same time.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:36 pm
Do you not understand English?
Why does everyone of these boards amount to babysitting retards/insane people?
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What does that have to do with the question I'm asking you? Is the illumination of the power light and the signal/information going to the monitor the same thing, yes or no?bahman wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:51 pmMy monitor uses two cables one for signal and another one for power. How is yours?Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:49 pmYou're saying that illuminating the power light and the signal or information or whatever you want to call it going to the monitor are the same thing?
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As I said there are two cables for my monitor one is for power and another for information. So there two systems.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:53 pmWhat does that have to do with the question I'm asking you? Is the illumination of the power light and the signal/information going to the monitor the same thing, yes or no?bahman wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:51 pmMy monitor uses two cables one for signal and another one for power. How is yours?Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:49 pm
You're saying that illuminating the power light and the signal or information or whatever you want to call it going to the monitor are the same thing?
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Ah--so earlier you gave a computer as an example of a system.bahman wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:56 pmAs I said there are two cables for my monitor one is for power and another for information. So there two systems.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:53 pmWhat does that have to do with the question I'm asking you? Is the illumination of the power light and the signal/information going to the monitor the same thing, yes or no?
So basically this is amounting to you simply telling us that you're defining "system" so that it can only be in one state at a time.