Things cannot be simultaneous

[bahman]

Consider a system that is at a given state that is defined by a set of parameters. This system however cannot be in different states at the same point. Therefore, different states of the system can only take place in different points. But there has to be a duration between different states of the system otherwise change never takes place. Therefore, time exist.

[commonsense]

Consider a system which is at a given state that is defiend by set of parameters. This system however cannot be in different states. Therefore, different states of the system can only take place in different points. But there has to be a duration between different states of the system otherwise change never takes place. Therefore, time exist.

Bullocks.

[bahman]

Consider a system which is at a given state that is defiend by set of parameters. This system however cannot be in different states. Therefore, different states of the system can only take place in different points. But there has to be a duration between different states of the system otherwise change never takes place. Therefore, time exist.

Bullocks.

Which part is non-sense?

[DPMartin]

Consider a system that is at a given state that is defined by a set of parameters. This system however cannot be in different states at the same point. Therefore, different states of the system can only take place in different points. But there has to be a duration between different states of the system otherwise change never takes place. Therefore, time exist.

you could've just said it takes time for energy to execute. there's probably a more accurate way to say that, but the point is there.

[bahman]

Consider a system that is at a given state that is defined by a set of parameters. This system however cannot be in different states at the same point. Therefore, different states of the system can only take place in different points. But there has to be a duration between different states of the system otherwise change never takes place. Therefore, time exist.

you could've just said it takes time for energy to execute. there's probably a more accurate way to say that, but the point is there.

Good that you agree.

[DPMartin]

Consider a system that is at a given state that is defined by a set of parameters. This system however cannot be in different states at the same point. Therefore, different states of the system can only take place in different points. But there has to be a duration between different states of the system otherwise change never takes place. Therefore, time exist.

you could've just said it takes time for energy to execute. there's probably a more accurate way to say that, but the point is there.

Good that you agree.

well may not, maybe so, time is measured by certain amount of energy or force acting on a certain amount of matter to move it through a certain amount of space, even electrons moving in the case of electronically measuring time, hence we think to perceive it correctly.

it seems to me that time is required for any energy, space, or matter, to exist. also there doesn't seem to be a smallest amount of time, kind of like basic geometry's concept of a point that has no dimension, no length no width no height but a series of them make a line.

[Terrapin Station]

Consider a system that is at a given state that is defined by a set of parameters. This system however cannot be in different states at the same point. Therefore, different states of the system can only take place in different points. But there has to be a duration between different states of the system otherwise change never takes place. Therefore, time exist.

Why couldn't something else be in whatever state at the same "point"?

[Terrapin Station]

This board might better be renamed:

New Adventures in Sophistry

[Skepdick]

This board might better be renamed:

New Adventures in Sophistry

Just this forum?

In so far as I can tell Philosophy means the same thing as Sophistry.

[Skepdick]

Consider a system that is at a given state that is defined by a set of parameters. This system however cannot be in different states at the same point. Therefore, different states of the system can only take place in different points. But there has to be a duration between different states of the system otherwise change never takes place. Therefore, time exist.

Congratulations. You've discovered second order time.

What computer scientists call system time, what quantum physicists call "universal time", and what general relativists call "bullshit".

a.k.a problem of time.

If you conceptualise time as discrete and global, then indeed, change only occurs when the global clock "ticks". The function which describes global state change at each increment of the clock is called the state transition function.

[bahman]

you could've just said it takes time for energy to execute. there's probably a more accurate way to say that, but the point is there.

Good that you agree.

well may not, maybe so, time is measured by certain amount of energy or force acting on a certain amount of matter to move it through a certain amount of space, even electrons moving in the case of electronically measuring time, hence we think to perceive it correctly.

it seems to me that time is required for any energy, space, or matter, to exist. also there doesn't seem to be a smallest amount of time, kind of like basic geometry's concept of a point that has no dimension, no length no width no height but a series of them make a line.

I am not talking about measuring time. I am talking about time.

[bahman]

Consider a system that is at a given state that is defined by a set of parameters. This system however cannot be in different states at the same point. Therefore, different states of the system can only take place in different points. But there has to be a duration between different states of the system otherwise change never takes place. Therefore, time exist.

Why couldn't something else be in whatever state at the same "point"?

Because the system at any point is defined by a set of parameters. So the system cannot have these parameters and other parameters.

[bahman]

Consider a system that is at a given state that is defined by a set of parameters. This system however cannot be in different states at the same point. Therefore, different states of the system can only take place in different points. But there has to be a duration between different states of the system otherwise change never takes place. Therefore, time exist.

Congratulations. You've discovered second order time.

What computer scientists call system time, what quantum physicists call "universal time", and what general relativists call "bullshit".

a.k.a problem of time.

If you conceptualise time as discrete and global, then indeed, change only occurs when the global clock "ticks". The function which describes global state change at each increment of the clock is called the state transition function.

Nice to see that you agree.

[Terrapin Station]

Consider a system that is at a given state that is defined by a set of parameters. This system however cannot be in different states at the same point. Therefore, different states of the system can only take place in different points. But there has to be a duration between different states of the system otherwise change never takes place. Therefore, time exist.

Why couldn't something else be in whatever state at the same "point"?

Because the system at any point is defined by a set of parameters. So the system cannot have these parameters and other parameters.

I'm presuming you'd say that everything extant is the same "system" then?

Per what is the system at any point defined by a set of parameters, and where there can't be more than one parameter at a given time?

[bahman]

Why couldn't something else be in whatever state at the same "point"?

Because the system at any point is defined by a set of parameters. So the system cannot have these parameters and other parameters.

I'm presuming you'd say that everything extant is the same "system" then?

I am trying to say that a system at a given point cannot be this and that.

Per what is the system at any point defined by a set of parameters, and where there can't be more than one parameter at a given time?

The system can have one parameter. Like a falling particle.