Change is Form

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Change is Form

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1. We are only certain of progressive change. This change manifests itself as the progression of one self evident truth to another: A -> B -> C...

2. This progressive change observes a linear continuum, as one self evident truth progresses to another.

3. This linear continuum, as progressive axioms, is constant in both an abstract sense and empirical time (ie one particle moving from one position to another always has a straight line between points even if the pattern is zig zagging.).

4. This linear continuum observes form and function as the same thing. So while we may have variously changing self evident truths, these truths exist recursively under a single platonic form.

5. Each change effectively is composed on infinite immeasurable changes (ie zeno paradox or a line composed of infinite lines) this necessitating infinite change as indefinite change or "no change.

6. Change is that the observation of multiple parts. For example one picture inverting to another picture observes static pictures but the perceived movement only occurs because of the multitude of pictures. Change is thus grounded in the inversion of one phenomenon into many. One picture into another, the position of one particle into another position, one emotion into another emotion, etc.

7. Change and no change, using a line as an example, is assumed through form alone. It is the dualism between one and many forms that allows change and no change to be observed. However this dualism is synthesized under the "form" itself as a "boundary of movement".

8. This can be observed through the platonic forms as consisting of many forms or the process of actualization, in aristotelian thought, as matter existing through form where potentiality (ie mass) exists through form as movement.
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Even if all else you say is accurate, it can be said without need of forms. The form can be said to be created by your expression of it a lot more plausibly than pre-existing as Plato had it.
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Advocate wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 8:58 pm Even if all else you say is accurate, it can be said without need of forms. The form can be said to be created by your expression of it a lot more plausibly than pre-existing as Plato had it.
1. Words are forms as words are categories and categories are forms.

2. Any form of linguistic expression in itself is the manifestation and assumption of a form.

3. To make a category is to make a distinction with this distinction being the contrast of one phenomenon to another.

4. The contrast shows a necessary form inherent within the category given that the category is defined by one phenomenon being different than another with this difference necessitating the application of limits which define said phenemenon.

5. This difference necessitates a form given where difference necessitates one phenomenon exists in a given state while not existing in another.

6. The dualism of existence and non existence, grounded under the nature of contrast as difference, reflects a dualism of being and non being with being represented under the form considering the limits applied necessitates an emergence of being from an absence of being.

7. To express anything linguistically is to manifest a contrast of being to non being through language where what exists is grounded under what is expressed through language.

8. This expression through language is an expression of being through form given language itself is a series of boundaries, or rather limits, where being has limits applied to it in such a manner where what exists exists only through the limits through which it manifests.

9. Language is thus the manifestation of being as the application limits.
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Even if all else you say is accurate, it can be said without need of forms. The form can be said to be created by your expression of it a lot more plausibly than pre-existing as Plato had it.
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1. Words are forms as words are categories and categories are forms.

2. Any form of linguistic expression in itself is the manifestation and assumption of a form.

3. To make a category is to make a distinction with this distinction being the contrast of one phenomenon to another.

4. The contrast shows a necessary form inherent within the category given that the category is defined by one phenomenon being different than another with this difference necessitating the application of limits which define said phenemenon.

5. This difference necessitates a form given where difference necessitates one phenomenon exists in a given state while not existing in another.

6. The dualism of existence and non existence, grounded under the nature of contrast as difference, reflects a dualism of being and non being with being represented under the form considering the limits applied necessitates an emergence of being from an absence of being.

7. To express anything linguistically is to manifest a contrast of being to non being through language where what exists is grounded under what is expressed through language.

8. This expression through language is an expression of being through form given language itself is a series of boundaries, or rather limits, where being has limits applied to it in such a manner where what exists exists only through the limits through which it manifests.

9. Language is thus the manifestation of being as the application limits.
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Much simpler: Every "thing" is a set of attributes and boundary conditions. Some things have the attribute of an associated symbol, some of which are words. To the extend we use the same word to apply to the same set of attributes and boundary conditions, we are talking about the same thing. The limits of the thing are according to purpose. An apple to you or i is a low-resolution thing compared to the same physical stuff to an apple vendor.
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Re: Change is Form

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Advocate wrote: Wed Nov 11, 2020 9:01 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Nov 11, 2020 8:12 pm
Advocate wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 8:58 pm Even if all else you say is accurate, it can be said without need of forms. The form can be said to be created by your expression of it a lot more plausibly than pre-existing as Plato had it.
1. Words are forms as words are categories and categories are forms.

2. Any form of linguistic expression in itself is the manifestation and assumption of a form.

3. To make a category is to make a distinction with this distinction being the contrast of one phenomenon to another.

4. The contrast shows a necessary form inherent within the category given that the category is defined by one phenomenon being different than another with this difference necessitating the application of limits which define said phenemenon.

5. This difference necessitates a form given where difference necessitates one phenomenon exists in a given state while not existing in another.

6. The dualism of existence and non existence, grounded under the nature of contrast as difference, reflects a dualism of being and non being with being represented under the form considering the limits applied necessitates an emergence of being from an absence of being.

7. To express anything linguistically is to manifest a contrast of being to non being through language where what exists is grounded under what is expressed through language.

8. This expression through language is an expression of being through form given language itself is a series of boundaries, or rather limits, where being has limits applied to it in such a manner where what exists exists only through the limits through which it manifests.

9. Language is thus the manifestation of being as the application limits.
Much simpler: Every "thing" is a set of attributes and boundary conditions. Some things have the attribute of an associated symbol, some of which are words. To the extend we use the same word to apply to the same set of attributes and boundary conditions, we are talking about the same thing. The limits of the thing are according to purpose. An apple to you or i is a low-resolution thing compared to the same physical stuff to an apple vendor.
No disagreement. Words are things.
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