Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 5:31 am
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Jun 22, 2022 2:45 pm
attofishpi wrote: ↑Wed Jun 22, 2022 2:15 pm
There U go Poppy - some fodder above.
Atheists don't like to be identified as such, except when they're in attack mode.
In defensive mode, they retreat into the multiple identities I listed earlier, and equivocate among them so you can't pin them down.
But as soon as you stop pressing them to state their position, they're going to leap back out with total confidence that they know that God can't possibly exist, and go to mockery.
That's how they operate. They're just not honest, because they sense -- and fear -- that their Atheism is not rationally defensible. So they retreat by squirting ink, like squids.
All beliefs exist to be defended, else what's the point in a belief.
VERY GOOD CLARIFYING QUESTION here "dontaskme".
And let us SEE how MANY of 'you', BELIEVERS, even attempt to answer this QUESTION OPENLY and Honestly.
Maybe when I ASK, 'WHY BELIEVE (in) absolutely ANY thing?' 'you', BELIEVERS, could respond by informing me or us, because then we would NOT have absolutely ANY thing to DEFEND.
Which I would then ASK, and QUESTION, WHY do you even WANT, or feel the NEED, to DEFEND ANY thing?
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 5:31 am
No person can know their maker,
And what are you basing this BELIEF on, EXACTLY?
I KNOW people who KNOW their so-called 'maker'.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 5:31 am
for one good reason, go figure.
If 'you'' want 'us' to 'go figure', would you FIRST like to EXPLAIN what the so-called "one good reason" IS EXACTLY, WHY 'you', and supposedly EVERY OTHER person can NOT know 'their maker'?
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 5:31 am
Now, a person can be aware of itself, yes this is self-evident, and there is no need for a belief in that knowing...but this self-awareness has no knowledge of it's origin, in the sense it has been created.
But one NEVER HAS TO be consciously AWARE at its creation to KNOW that it WAS CREATED.
The KNOWLEDGE that EVERY human being WAS CREATED is some thing that IS IRREFUTABLE, ANYWAY.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 5:31 am
That belief that it has been created can never be known for sure, as the believed created one has never known or seen it's creator...
There are SO MANY INCONSISTENCIES, FALLACIES, and CONTRADICTIONS here, just in this VERY LITTLE sentence and CLAIM that I could NOT even be bothered SHOWING and POINTING them ALL OUT. Unless, OF COURSE, some one is INTERESTED in SEEING them.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 5:31 am
The point is..no one can know their creator, and certainly for sure can never see it.
Although it is the CONTRARY, which is ACTUALLY True, WHY is this, SUPPOSEDLY, 'the point' here, when this thread is about, 'What is an "atheist"?'
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 5:31 am
So we are all in the same one quandary about the notion of a creator God...including you.
Talk about thinking or BELIEVE that, "Because I SEE 'things' this way, then absolutely EVERY one ELSE MUST ALSO".
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 5:31 am
And just because you do not attack others for questioning your own belief, does not make you a saint....because you yourself if backed into a corner where your life was on the line would react like everyone else and defend yourself in the most undignified way.
Also, are you not also guilty of mockery when you lead the unbelievers to quotes that condemn them to places called eternal hell fire?
But then you'll even defend yourself from having done that by saying God informs this, not me. And you will say that because in reality you simply do NOT KNOW...so passing the knower buck onto something else is just so easy for you, save you having to think real hard about it...save you having to admit that what you know, will always be coming from a self bias personal conclusion...and not from some divine intervention.
Heck, you might even put me on your ignore list, save you having to face the actual truth...isn't that just a form of passive aggressiveness against anyone who dare to question what you personally believe?
I mean if you are so certain your belief is the only belief worth of having...then what's to stop other people from having the same sense of entitlement from their own self-bias conclusions?
Intelligent people just admit they do not know...and leave the rest to belief...which we all have, even the non-believer has a belief...it's like beliefs all the way down...that's all...
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