What is an Atheist?

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attofishpi wrote: Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:50 am
popeye1945 wrote: Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:07 am THE BIBLE!

Your a believer, but your an atheist about all the other gods aren't you???
Poppy!

I don't want to offend you again, but something that does grind my (and many others) gears, is when 'your' is used where "you're" should be used..
Of these "many others", are ANY of them posters here in this forum?

If yes, then who are they, or is it?
attofishpi wrote: Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:50 am I shall explain: If you are writing something where 'you are' could be used, then please use you're.(it's what is called, an abbreviation)

Within the brackets, I just used one.. IT IS, IT'S.

..and apologies to everyone that has read my OP of Simulation or Divine Reality - - I could not believe the amount of times I used "it's" incorrectly.
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Re: What is an Atheist?

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popeye1945 wrote: Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:48 am
Age wrote: Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:39 am
popeye1945 wrote: Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:07 am THE BIBLE!

Your a believer, but your an atheist about all the other gods aren't you???
Are you responding to 'me' here?

If yes, then I suggest that you QUOTE 'me' so that I get NOTIFIED that you responded.

Now, if you are responding to 'me' here, then are you suggesting that 'the bible' does NOT change?

If yes, then maybe you MISSED where there have probably been a countless number of DIFFERENT 'bibles' written and ALL CHANGED from the previous versions.

Or, do you REALLY BELIEVE that there is ONLY One BIBLE that has be UNCHANGED since ITS FIRST CONCEPTION?

As for your ABSOLUTELY and TOTALLY RIDICULOUS ASSUMPTION and CLAIM above, that is; IF it was intended for 'me',

1. I NEITHER BELIEVE nor DISBELIEVE ANY thing.

2. I am NEITHER an "atheist" about ANY nor ALL the other so-called 'gods', ALSO.

So, if that CLARFIYING QUESTION of YOURS was posed to 'me', then there is MY ANSWER.
I realize the bible over the centuries has been picked apart censored and used for political reasons, but today and for a few centuries I think the King James version is what believers go by today.
That is one VERY NARROWED and SHALLOWED 'thinking'.
popeye1945 wrote: Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:48 am I have some born-again Christan friends that were in the closet for many years. I know there is no room for change in their beliefs.
Is there ANY room for change in YOUR BELIEFS "popeye1945"?

From what you have written so far that does NOT appear to be.
popeye1945 wrote: Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:48 am The non-sense of genesis is literally believed.
AND the sense of genesis is literally BELIEVED also, correct?

Or do you BELIEVE that it is ALL non-sense?
popeye1945 wrote: Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:48 am So what then, you are agnostic when it comes to all the other gods?
NO.
popeye1945 wrote: Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:48 am My statement in this thread was simple, both the atheist and the believer are guilty of the same logical fallacy claiming certainty where certainty is not possiable,
LOL and my statement and POINT, which is STILL BEING MISSED, was ALSO, very, SIMPLE.
popeye1945 wrote: Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:48 am The atheist considering the probabilities, I would say is leaning toward the light the believer is guilty of a self-performed lobotomy.
You are MORE BLIND than I first thought.

As I have POINTED OUT and STATED, the "atheist" is as much A BELIEVER IS as the BELIEVER or "theist" IS.

One's BELIEF is in DISBELIEVING while the "other's" BELIEF is in BELIEVING. Which one is which does NOT need STATING, correct?
popeye1945 wrote: Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:48 am Truely if there were not so many of them they would be hustled off to the psych ward.
So, WHERE YOUR BELIEF LIES should be MORE OBVIOUS NOW, for those who did NOT SEE 'it' BEFORE.
popeye1945 wrote: Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:48 am If these holy scriptures changed with the knowledge of the times as would be healthy and natural the fast-food versions that are written in concrete to be mindlessly consumed hopefully would vanish.
Have you REALLY NOT YET NOTICED the CHANGES, being WRITTEN and SPOKEN, CONTINUALLY, in so-called "holy scriptures"?
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Re: What is an Atheist?

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Age wrote: Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:45 am
attofishpi wrote: Sun Jun 26, 2022 1:35 pm
Age wrote:
WHY is this, SUPPOSEDLY, LOGICALLY POSSIBLE, but CONVERSELY the OPPOSITE IS NOT?
The fact that I have to explain this speaks volumes as to your level of intellect.
And that you continually resort to ATTEMPTING TO 'attack the individual' speaks volumes for your lack of ability to argue.
attofishpi wrote: Sun Jun 26, 2022 1:35 pm God demanded that we must have faith to know it exists.
LOL If 'you' KNEW God, then 'you' WOULD KNOW that God does NOT and would NOT 'demand' ABSOLUTELY ANY thing AT ALL.

Also, are you saying or suggesting here that the ONLY way to know God exists, one MUST HAVE 'faith' first?
attofishpi wrote: Sun Jun 26, 2022 1:35 pm Ergo, IF there is a God, then all it takes is for this intelligence (God) to convince the one of faith to know it exists.
LOL What do you mean by, "IF there is a God". Is there a God, or NOT?

And, would one of 'faith' that God exists, REALLY NEED to be 'convinced' that God exists?

Oh, and by the way, if it is ONLY the ones 'of faith' that can be 'convinced' that God exists, then, REALLY, it would NOT take one of ANY intelligence to be ABLE TO 'convince' them of this.

LOL!


Age wrote: Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:45 am
attofishpi wrote: Sun Jun 26, 2022 1:35 pm
attofishpi wrote:2. To know God does NOT exist, requires knowing EVERYTHING about the universe, and possibly multiverse, should other 'verses' exist.
AGE HERE has a converse argument: “To know God does NOT exist simply requires having faith, and then getting individual evidence, that God does NOT exist.
I NEVER EVER USED that as an 'argument', let alone 'it' is my 'converse argument'. What ACTUALLY HAPPENED IS, I asked you;

HOW could 'you', LOGICALLY, CLAIM:
To know God does exist simply requires having faith, and then getting individual evidence, that God does exist?


AS WELL AS,

WHY is this, SUPPOSEDLY, LOGICALLY POSSIBLE, but CONVERSELY the OPPOSITE IS NOT?

That is;
If to know God does NOT exist simply requires having faith, and then getting individual evidence, that God does NOT exist, does NOT suffice to you, then WHY does your CLAIM, supposedly, WORK, but the OPPOSITE does NOT?

Do you UNDERSTAND the QUESTIONS here?

If yes, then WILL you ANSWER them?

If no, then WHY NOT?
LOL!

Age wrote: Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:45 am
attofishpi wrote: Sun Jun 26, 2022 1:35 pm Again, I will ask you HOW does having faith that God does NOT exist ever provide one evidence of EVERYTHING about the universe and possibly the multiverse, such that one can know that God does not exist?
1. WHEN did you ask me this the FIRST TIME?

2. I do NOT 'have faith' that God DOES, nor DOES NOT, exist, therefore I do NOT KNOW HOW 'having faith', EITHER WAY, would provide one with 'evidence', EITHER WAY.

3. I ASKED you CLARIFYING QUESTIONS here, FIRST, about what you WROTE and CLAIMED, which we are STILL WAITING FOR YOUR CLARIFICATION, but you come across here now as DEMANDING that I ANSWER YOUR QUESTION here, which as far as I am aware you had NEVER asked me PREVIOUSLY.

LOL!
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Re: What is an Atheist?

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attofishpi wrote: Tue Jun 28, 2022 3:13 am
Age wrote: Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:45 am
attofishpi wrote: Sun Jun 26, 2022 1:35 pm

The fact that I have to explain this speaks volumes as to your level of intellect.
And that you continually resort to ATTEMPTING TO 'attack the individual' speaks volumes for your lack of ability to argue.
attofishpi wrote: Sun Jun 26, 2022 1:35 pm God demanded that we must have faith to know it exists.
LOL If 'you' KNEW God, then 'you' WOULD KNOW that God does NOT and would NOT 'demand' ABSOLUTELY ANY thing AT ALL.

Also, are you saying or suggesting here that the ONLY way to know God exists, one MUST HAVE 'faith' first?
attofishpi wrote: Sun Jun 26, 2022 1:35 pm Ergo, IF there is a God, then all it takes is for this intelligence (God) to convince the one of faith to know it exists.
LOL What do you mean by, "IF there is a God". Is there a God, or NOT?

And, would one of 'faith' that God exists, REALLY NEED to be 'convinced' that God exists?

Oh, and by the way, if it is ONLY the ones 'of faith' that can be 'convinced' that God exists, then, REALLY, it would NOT take one of ANY intelligence to be ABLE TO 'convince' them of this.

LOL!


Age wrote: Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:45 am
attofishpi wrote: Sun Jun 26, 2022 1:35 pm


AGE HERE has a converse argument: “To know God does NOT exist simply requires having faith, and then getting individual evidence, that God does NOT exist.
I NEVER EVER USED that as an 'argument', let alone 'it' is my 'converse argument'. What ACTUALLY HAPPENED IS, I asked you;

HOW could 'you', LOGICALLY, CLAIM:
To know God does exist simply requires having faith, and then getting individual evidence, that God does exist?


AS WELL AS,

WHY is this, SUPPOSEDLY, LOGICALLY POSSIBLE, but CONVERSELY the OPPOSITE IS NOT?

That is;
If to know God does NOT exist simply requires having faith, and then getting individual evidence, that God does NOT exist, does NOT suffice to you, then WHY does your CLAIM, supposedly, WORK, but the OPPOSITE does NOT?

Do you UNDERSTAND the QUESTIONS here?

If yes, then WILL you ANSWER them?

If no, then WHY NOT?
LOL!

Age wrote: Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:45 am
attofishpi wrote: Sun Jun 26, 2022 1:35 pm Again, I will ask you HOW does having faith that God does NOT exist ever provide one evidence of EVERYTHING about the universe and possibly the multiverse, such that one can know that God does not exist?
1. WHEN did you ask me this the FIRST TIME?

2. I do NOT 'have faith' that God DOES, nor DOES NOT, exist, therefore I do NOT KNOW HOW 'having faith', EITHER WAY, would provide one with 'evidence', EITHER WAY.

3. I ASKED you CLARIFYING QUESTIONS here, FIRST, about what you WROTE and CLAIMED, which we are STILL WAITING FOR YOUR CLARIFICATION, but you come across here now as DEMANDING that I ANSWER YOUR QUESTION here, which as far as I am aware you had NEVER asked me PREVIOUSLY.

LOL!
ANOTHER example of one who has been PROVED Wrong and/or who is Truly INCAPABLE of just CLARIFYING or backing up and supporting what they BELIEVE or CLAIM is true.
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Age wrote: Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:12 am ANOTHER example of one who has been PROVED Wrong and/or who is Truly INCAPABLE of just CLARIFYING or backing up and supporting what they BELIEVE or CLAIM is true.
LOL! Your level of intelligence is exceptional, allow us mere humans worship thee, channelling from consellation Doopid.

FFS, I did that "You're"!!
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Re: What is an Atheist?

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attofishpi wrote: Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:48 am
Age wrote: Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:12 am ANOTHER example of one who has been PROVED Wrong and/or who is Truly INCAPABLE of just CLARIFYING or backing up and supporting what they BELIEVE or CLAIM is true.
LOL! Your level of intelligence is exceptional, allow us mere humans worship thee, channelling from consellation Doopid.

FFS, I did that "You're"!!
You did NOT CLARIFY. AS can be CLEARLY SEEN and PROVED True, in YOUR ABOVE WRITINGS.

And EVEN FURTHER PROOF will be YOUR INABILTY to PROVIDE WHERE you SUPPOSEDLY and ALLEGEDLY did.
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All I see from you is a mispodge of uppercase and lower case text typed brain fart diarrhea.
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attofishpi wrote: Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:40 am All I see from you is a mispodge of uppercase and lower case text typed brain fart diarrhea.
Lol

Give the sucker a LOLLIPOP… he loves sucking on LOL’s
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Re: What is an Atheist?

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uwot wrote: Wed Jun 22, 2022 9:16 am
popeye1945 wrote: Tue Jun 21, 2022 7:26 pmAn atheist is the counterpoint of the believer...
Ya got that right.
popeye1945 wrote: Tue Jun 21, 2022 7:26 pm...both guilty of the same logical fallacy of pretending to know what cannot be known.



Ah well, you don't have to know to believe. Or not believe.
uwot,
Now there it is, the DUH factor----lol!!!
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Re: What is an Atheist?

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popeye1945 wrote: Tue Aug 02, 2022 11:38 pm
uwot wrote: Wed Jun 22, 2022 9:16 amAh well, you don't have to know to believe. Or not believe.
uwot,
Now there it is, the DUH factor----lol!!!
Blimey, I thought this thread had died, unloved and unlamented. Oh well.
Quite frankly the labels are a distraction, but here is how I understand them anyway:
Theists believe there is a god
Atheists don't believe there is a god
Anti-theists believe there is no god

Then there is anyone who claims to know. No such person has ever furnished us with compelling evidence to support their claim. Thomas Henry Huxley invented the word agnosticism, partly as a rebuke to such overconfidence:

"Agnosticism is of the essence of science, whether ancient or modern. It simply means that a man shall not say he knows or believes that which he has no scientific grounds for professing to know or believe. Consequently, agnosticism puts aside not only the greater part of popular theology, but also the greater part of anti-theology."

The inclusion of belief is over-egging it. There is no intrinsic harm in believing in a god, the trouble starts when that belief is used to justify ghastly behaviour. The other issue with belief is that fanatics can't adjust it in the light of new evidence. They also tend to be the ones who claim to know. Some are bores, some are dangerous; most are nutters.
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Re: What is an Atheist?

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uwot,

EXCELLENT!
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Re: What is an Atheist?

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The OP asks:

"...What is an Atheist?..."

To which I suggest that no one be fooled by the hypocritical bluster of atheists, for atheists (by default) have their own version of God.

Though they will vehemently deny such a thing, nevertheless, just like theists, atheists believe in an "invisible creative deity."

Indeed, atheists (again, by default) believe in the existence of an invisible god called "CHANCE" who somehow managed to "stumblebum" its way into creating the unfathomable order implicit in the following images...

Image

Image

The irony is that not only are atheists closet theists, as described above, but the reverential "faith" that atheists have in the creative powers of their invisible god called "CHANCE," would put to shame the most devout Christian, Muslim, or Jew.
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[quote=seeds post_id=587896 time=1659545778 user_id=12576]
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The OP asks:

[b]"...What is an Atheist?..."[/b]

To which I suggest that no one be fooled by the hypocritical bluster of atheists, for atheists (by default) have their own version of God.

Though they will vehemently deny such a thing, nevertheless, just like theists, [b]atheists believe in an "[u]invisible[/u] creative deity."[/b]

Indeed, atheists (again, by default) believe in the existence of an invisible god called "CHANCE" who somehow managed to [b][i]"stumblebum"[/i][/b] its way into creating the unfathomable order implicit in the following images...

[img]https://i.pinimg.com/736x/2d/4a/71/2d4a ... uttles.jpg[/img]

[img]https://media.istockphoto.com/photos/pi ... vKVrvIMJI=[/img]

The irony is that not only are atheists closet theists, as described above, but the reverential [b]"faith"[/b] that atheists have in the creative powers of their invisible god called "CHANCE," would put to shame the most devout Christian, Muslim, or Jew.
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[/quote]

Nothing you just said is true. Enjoy the rest of your day.
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[quote=uwot post_id=587797 time=1659484898 user_id=7941]
[quote=popeye1945 post_id=587788 time=1659479889 user_id=21999][quote=uwot post_id=579184 time=1655885813 user_id=7941]Ah well, you don't have to know to believe. Or not believe.[/quote]

uwot,
Now there it is, the DUH factor----lol!!![/quote]Blimey, I thought this thread had died, unloved and unlamented. Oh well.
Quite frankly the labels are a distraction, but here is how I understand them anyway:
Theists believe there is a god
Atheists don't believe there is a god
Anti-theists believe there is no god

Then there is anyone who claims to know. No such person has ever furnished us with compelling evidence to support their claim. Thomas Henry Huxley invented the word agnosticism, partly as a rebuke to such overconfidence:

"Agnosticism is of the essence of science, whether ancient or modern. It simply means that a man shall not say he knows or believes that which he has no scientific grounds for professing to know or believe. Consequently, agnosticism puts aside not only the greater part of popular theology, but also the greater part of anti-theology."

The inclusion of belief is over-egging it. There is no intrinsic harm in believing in a god, the trouble starts when that belief is used to justify ghastly behaviour. The other issue with belief is that fanatics can't adjust it in the light of new evidence. They also tend to be the ones who claim to know. Some are bores, some are dangerous; most are nutters.
[/quote]

Belief is a scale between justified (knowledge) and unjustified (faith).
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Re: What is an Atheist?

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seeds wrote: Wed Aug 03, 2022 5:56 pm _______

The OP asks:

"...What is an Atheist?..."

To which I suggest that no one be fooled by the hypocritical bluster of atheists, for atheists (by default) have their own version of God.

Though they will vehemently deny such a thing, nevertheless, just like theists, atheists believe in an "invisible creative deity."

Indeed, atheists (again, by default) believe in the existence of an invisible god called "CHANCE" who somehow managed to "stumblebum" its way into creating the unfathomable order implicit in the following images...

Image

Image

The irony is that not only are atheists closet theists, as described above, but the reverential "faith" that atheists have in the creative powers of their invisible god called "CHANCE," would put to shame the most devout Christian, Muslim, or Jew.
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Chance is no God. It has no intention to be creative. It has neither power nor knowledge. Randomly, chance may result in order, but it is random nonetheless. The
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