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seeds wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 9:39 pmJust tell me what you think the alternative [to intelligent design] might be?
uwot wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 11:08 pm
I don't know if you have seen the latest iteration of my book, but there is a whole section devoted to how the material involved in the big bang
becomes fundamental particles,...
Yes, and the presumption is that the primordial "material" of the universe...
(what you have previously referred to as being a "duck pond" or a "record groove" or a "rug that wrinkles after being kicked")
...somehow came pre-imbued with the propensity to magically
"become" fundamental particles that then...
uwot wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 11:08 pm
...
make atoms, primarily hydrogen and helium.
Yes, the serendipitously created particles derived from a mysterious primordial substance that forms what you call a
"duck pond," then serendipitously
"make" hydrogen and helium atoms, which
(praise the Lord Chance ) just so happen to be the perfect base substance (the perfect "building blocks") from which fusion dynamos (stars) are made.
uwot wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 11:08 pm
...It goes on to explain how gravity
forms those gases into stars,...
Can you not hear what you are saying?
Are you completely unaware of what is implied when you say that
"...gravity forms those gases into stars..."?
Please forgive me, uwot, for constantly responding with the same old argument and images in what has come to be our little perennial debate, but what you are implying is that an utterly blind and mindless phenomenon that we call
"gravity",...
(without the slightest hint of teleological impetus or an inherent reason to do so)
...somehow managed to
"form"...
(as in "make" "fashion" "shape" "model" "mold" "assemble" etc., etc.)
...a bunch of already "serendipitously-created" atoms and gasses into the absolute perfect (and unimaginably stable) source of heat, light, and bio-powering energy...
And if that wasn't remarkable enough, then there is this...
uwot wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 11:08 pm
...and how stellar nucleosynthesis
forms heavier elements, critically carbon and oxygen, which together with primordial hydrogen are essential to life as we know it...
Yes, that is indeed the conclusion that the
"reverse engineering" of matter has led
material scientists to come to.
However, do you know what else is essential to life as we know it? --> an absolutely perfect setting like this...
I'm talking about a setting where (according to you) the blind and mindless stumblings of
"chance and gravity," without the slightest way of
"knowing" what they were actually doing, were nevertheless able to not only create the unfathomably stable
framework of the setting to begin with,...
...but were also able (via sheer chance) to
"fully-equip" the setting with every essential ingredient and process necessary to facilitate the efflorescence (emergence/awakening into existence) of billions of multifarious lifeforms from the very fabric of the setting itself.
To which I say -
ridiculous!
Now, of course, I will no doubt be accused of violating that old philosophical chestnut:
"argument from incredulity."
But I don't care.
Why?
Because the "chance hypothesis" is one of the most
incredulous theories in existence (indeed, it's almost as bad as Everett's "Many Worlds Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics").
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