To you, What is the 'nature of mind' exactly?surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2019 12:56 pmThe nature of mind means it is always capable of change although that does not mean change will always comeAge wrote:
How could a closed mind become open or even be aware that it wants to become open if it already believes that it is open ?
Would you admit that you are not open ? Are you even aware that you are not open ?
I agree. BUT, if, as proposed previously, Minds ultimately control themselves, then HOW could a closed mind become open? which was and still is the clarifying question that I am asking.surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2019 12:56 pmAnd so no matter how closed a mind is the potential to become open is always there regardless of anything else
How could some thing that is closed, or not fully open, open its self?
If a mind is not fully open, then how would it know that it is not?
What my view is on how open or not one is does not matter. What I want to know now is who is that one you say owns mind.surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2019 12:56 pmMy own mind is definitely more open than it has ever been from my own perspective but maybe not so from yours
You say, "My own mind", whereas, before you said "Minds ultimately control themselves". So, who or what is actually owning and controlling things here? And, who or what are these 'mind' things exactly? (The true, right, and correct answers, by the way, can be found).
So, how does the who or what actually decide on how open or closed one is or is not, or how open or closed one's own mind is or is not?surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2019 12:56 pmHowever what other minds think is not relvant as openness can only truly be measured from inside ones own mind
There appears to be quite a few things, which need to be clarified first, before things start coming to together to make sense.
How open or not one really is can be clearly seen in their words.surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2019 12:56 pmAnd my sense of detachment makes me less dogmatic and more neutral minded so openness is not hard to maintain
How can the two; 'a sense of detachment from mind', AND, 'an understanding that minds ultimately control themselves', logically fit and work together?
You can say you are more interested in acknowledging the opinions of others, but that does not necessarily mean that you are truly OPEN to them.surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2019 12:56 pmAs I age I am less interested in having my own fixed opinions and more interested in acknowledging those of others
Your insistence that there are many minds, and that 'mind' is cognitive capability, and, minds/cognitive capabilities ultimately control themselves but 'you' are detached from your 'own' mind seems to point to the fact that you appear more interested in having your own fixed opinion/s on this matter, and are not really interested in those of "others".
How would 'you' know what 'your mind' tolerates or not? IF 'minds ultimately control themselves', and 'you' are detached from 'your own mind', then 'you' have absolutely NO say in the matter.surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2019 12:56 pmBeing dogmatic takes up too much mental energy and my mind would not tolerate it any way so it is usually avoided
That maybe what that one human being does or thinks it does. But this still does not bring 'you' nor 'I' any closer to 'you' clarifying what you are actually saying or trying to say here.surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2019 12:56 pmI am only human and so perfection cannot be guaranteed but one is learning to slowly let go the older that one gets
Are you still of the opinion that;
1. 'Mind' is cognitive capability?
2. 'You' sense a detachment from the mind/cognitive capability?
3. 'Mind/cognitive capability' ultimately controls itself?
4. 'You' own a mind/cognitive capability?
To me, the four do not sensibly nor even logically follow together. Maybe you could clear up my misunderstanding here?
There is, however, another view, which fits ALL of this together perfectly, as well as fits just about every thing else in Life, which ultimately forms one easy and simple to understand big picture of Life. That is, if any one is OPEN to looking at It?