Do what you will

[waechter418]

....arguable the most common and certainly most original manner of Selfrealisation got in the course of mans histories discriminated as outcrop of ego, defamed as antisocial and reprimanded as immoral, whereas Self suffered denials and Will became synonymous with wishes and desires.
There have been plenty of attempts, famously by Buddha and Lao-tse, to reconnect man to his so called true Nature/Self/Will/Atman, and were doubtless easier in “old times”, than in the current division/multiplication process (progress) that has become synonymous with western civilisation.
In the Occident “Do what you will” was mostly confined to philosophical discussions and apparently neither understood nor applied as a way of Selfrealisation, since Will got divided into a divine and a human property, latter characterised by emotions (like wishes & desires) which in turn are the driving forces of its fragmentation.
And as the latter seems to grow exponentially, and with it the confusion and helplessness of its subjects, Do your Will becomes more urgent than ever, as it overrides the restrictions of Dualism and thus enables Selfrealisation according to ones true Self/Nature/Will/Atman.

[Atla]

....arguable the most common and certainly most original manner of Selfrealisation got in the course of mans histories discriminated as outcrop of ego, defamed as antisocial and reprimanded as immoral, whereas Self suffered denials and Will became synonymous with wishes and desires.
There have been plenty of attempts, famously by Buddha and Lao-tse, to reconnect man to his so called true Nature/Self/Will/Atman, and were doubtless easier in “old times”, than in the current division/multiplication process (progress) that has become synonymous with western civilisation.
In the Occident “Do what you will” was mostly confined to philosophical discussions and apparently neither understood nor applied as a way of Selfrealisation, since Will got divided into a divine and a human property, latter characterised by emotions (like wishes & desires) which in turn are the driving forces of its fragmentation.
And as the latter seems to grow exponentially, and with it the confusion and helplessness of its subjects, Do your Will becomes more urgent than ever, as it overrides the restrictions of Dualism and thus enables Selfrealisation according to ones true Self/Nature/Will/Atman.

Why do you think that our true Self is or has a "Will"?

[waechter418]

i consider Will a force and Self an equation

[AlexW]

Do your Will becomes more urgent than ever, as it overrides the restrictions of Dualism and thus enables Selfrealisation

I don't see how "Do your Will" could "enable Selfrealisation"...
Can you please elaborate?

[waechter418]

Being spontaneous Will manifests Self unadulterated

[AlexW]

Being spontaneous Will manifests Self unadulterated

Don't know what you are trying to say... can you please be a bit more specific?
Maybe use a few more words linked into proper sentences...

Also, you seem to contradict yourself:
In your first post you place "Will" on the same level as the "Self" (see your reference to "Nature/Self/Will/Atman") then you state will is a "force" and self is an "equation". Now you state that "will manifests self"...

[waechter418]

Self & Will are not the same, but when they complement each other a Self-awareness arises.

Hindu and Buddhist Initiates(inside travellers) say that it is beyond verbal grasp (which is why i use as few words as possible).

[AlexW]

Self & Will are not the same, but when they complement each other a Self-awareness arises.

As I see it, awareness is always here/now.
But it is not awareness of a separate entity, not of a separate self - there is no awareness of separation - there is only conceptual thought that seems to create separation - the separate self is an idea, nothing else.
"Self-awareness" is a misnomer - one word of the two is redundant - its like saying something like "watery water" or "dark darkness"...
Awareness/consciousness/Self simply is - always aware only of itself (but it is not doing anything to be aware, being aware is its nature) - thats also why there is nothing objective to say about it.

Hindu and Buddhist Initiates(inside travellers) say that it is beyond verbal grasp (which is why i use as few words as possible).

Are you such an "Initiate"? Are you speaking from belief or from direct experience?

[Dontaskme]

"Self-awareness" is a misnomer - one word of the two is redundant - its like saying something like "watery water" or "dark darkness"...
Awareness/consciousness/Self simply is - always aware only of itself (but it is not doing anything to be aware, being aware is its nature) - thats also why there is nothing objective to say about it.

No, it's not a misnomer - ''Self-awareness'' is knowledge KNOWN ..aka demanded knowledge in this conception (objective)

A demand for knowledge comes from memory. There is no Self there.

There is no Self to be aware of itself...except what ''thought'' puts there (knowledge)

Knowledge is objective, it informs the illusory nature of reality in that there is no reality.

Intention is the rider of the Will.

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[AlexW]

No, it's not a misnomer - ''Self-awareness'' is knowledge KNOWN

Knowledge and knowing are one and the same.
When it’s raining there is rain, when there is rain it’s raining...
Two aspects of one.
Knowledge is, knowing is, but there is no knowledge known - the rain is not doing the raining - there is no separation between the two.

[Dontaskme]

No, it's not a misnomer - ''Self-awareness'' is knowledge KNOWN

Knowledge and knowing are one and the same.
When it’s raining there is rain, when there is rain it’s raining...
Two aspects of one.
Knowledge is, knowing is, but there is no knowledge known - the rain is not doing the raining - there is no separation between the two.

I agree.

So there is no misnomer ..except in this CON-ception.

We can't talk about nothing yet talking does/ not happen/s.

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[waechter418]

What is here called Self, is the core or coordinate of the mind/body - psyche/soma - relativity, and as such represents ones true nature, position and course in the universe (macrocosm).
It is an individual (indivisible) awareness that demands from its beholder to act responsible.
(Every act is powered by will, except re-actions i.e. karma`s.)

[waechter418]

The space/time of Will is here/now - and so is Selfrealisation.

[Walker]

The space/time of Will is here/now - and so is Selfrealisation.

So is reality, and nowhere else.

[waechter418]

realisation and reality represent the same concept