Please go elsewhere and spew your retarded shit!!
You never happened.
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Sorry no can do. The only thing actual is the here and now (reality).
There's no where to go but HERE
NOW!!
What happens NOW - stays in NOW
For all of Eternity.
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I'm not really sure what you mean by that.
To be Aware of 'thought'....Awareness must already exist. The You exists as Awareness only, but to KNOW that requires ''thought'' meaning YOU can be Aware of existing as ''thought'' dictates...and in the same train of thought you can also be aware of not existing..as in not existing as a ''thought'' ..and then become aware of the empty aware space inbetween each ''thought''
In other words, in order to BE OR NOT BE requires ''thought''
But Awareness itself is neither BEING NOR NOT BEING ..It's both and neither...this is the dreamscape reality that the sages speak of.
Awareness then, neither exists nor does it not exist, it's non-dependant, it's an ONLY CHILD so to speak...Awareness is A Naked NO-Body ...the body is JUST a ''thought'' ..the body are the clothes I AM not wearing.
''thought'' is not required to BE Naked Awareness ....but the requirement to dress up and flavour the Nakedness as a something is a MUST... but then attachment to ''thought'' is imagination...all somethings therefore are imagined.
Dressing one up to be another is just another strawman...aka a ''thought''
Life is a dream full stop, dreamt by no one.
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One forgets Themself very early when ego makes distinctions of "me" and "not me".....but it's ALL YOU...because there is no OTHER!!Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2019 7:01 amI'm not really sure what you mean by that.
To be Aware of 'thought'....Awareness must already exist. The You exists as Awareness only, but to KNOW that requires ''thought'' meaning YOU can be Aware of existing as ''thought'' dictates...and in the same train of thought you can also be aware of not existing..as in not existing as a ''thought'' ..and then become aware of the empty aware space inbetween each ''thought''
In other words, in order to BE OR NOT BE requires ''thought''
But Awareness itself is neither BEING NOR NOT BEING ..It's both and neither...this is the dreamscape reality that the sages speak of.
Awareness then, neither exists nor does it not exist, it's non-dependant, it's an ONLY CHILD so to speak...Awareness is A Naked NO-Body ...the body is JUST a ''thought'' ..the body are the clothes I AM not wearing.
''thought'' is not required to BE Naked Awareness ....but the requirement to dress up and flavour the Nakedness as a something is a MUST... but then attachment to ''thought'' is imagination...all somethings therefore are imagined.
Dressing one up to be another is just another strawman...aka a ''thought''
Life is a dream full stop, dreamt by no one.
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Yes it is Ramu, it's all YOU and ALL literally means every-thing. There is no YOU because there is no OTHER than YOU.
The distinction is the SAME DIFFERENCE....a total mirror image. I AM made in my own image.
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It contradicts your statement.
It means that all thought and utterances are caused, which means that utterances cannot be without a requirement, which means that utterances don’t appear without a requirement for them to appear.
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I'm not really seeing what you are seeing here.....from my experience, 'cause and effect' is just the same one action in the same instant, there is no causer of any effect, because every effect is caused via the preceding effect, so cause and effect are the same one action...in that both cause and effect are appearances interacting with other appearances ..there's no actual first causer of any effect there...the only requirement for any appearance which is just another label for (space-time duality) is to be made aware of the appearance, and that requires a witness which is the screen of consciousness on which the appearance shows up.
So we've already cleared that point up.... so any effect is just an appearance of a preceding effect causing the next effect...but there is no actual first causer of any effect, there are here only effects effecting each other. So no actual first causer of any apparent happening...there's just what's appearing to happen in what is not happening...in that all effects are triggered via preceding effects...and these effects spontaneously appear infinitely ...
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All suggestions are just alternative ideas about the same idea, the goal is ultimately the same, just different that's all...the contradiction is unavoidable because we can never get inside the head of another head to understand what thoughts are there and the way reality is seen from that perspective view. We can only view our own view of reality from the unique perspective of that mind/body perspective which is just one of many views in Consciousness.
Ultimately we're all just walking each other home which is only ever here right NOW this infinte Consciousness having multiple experiences. The destination is the same, although each path is many. Essentially each path taken is never contradictory because they all stream from the same one single place where all paradoxes are resolved in that home is already and always right here NOW.
The art of resonance and listening plays a key role here. If we each remain open minded and drop all tendencies to be dogmatic and stuck in one particular groove of belief then we'll be open to receive the truth of our being. So being mindful of the fact that a point of view of ''The Whole'' is only ever partial and not ''The Whole'' truth.
Paradoxically every contradictory story streams from the same one single place where all paradoxes are resolved, from source to source an endless stream. Any story or dogma is a point of view of and inside of ''The Whole'' (All That Is, Existence)..we're all just singing our song, it's different that's all.
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Sure, everything causes everything, no single cause is ever the only cause because the single cause has a cause, and that cause has a cause, and so on back unto the beginning of the universe, which either began or did not begin. The cause of each cause expands exponentially to soon encompass all causes back to the beginning of causes, thus when considering the totality of causes, the cause for one observed phenomenon is ultimately the same as the cause for another observed phenomenon, even though the second observation may consist of different direct causes. Let’s say you cover the surface of a filled swimming pool with little rubber ducks, so many that they cannot move to bob about as designed. Each duck touches several other ducks at various points, and those several other touched ducks in turn touch other ducks, and so on. Any particular duck is an event, and any duck directly touching that particular duck is a direct cause. Ducks touching direct causes are secondary causes, and so on. Direct ducks are few, secondaries are more, and so on’s are many. If the rubber duck gets goosed the reverberation is felt across the entire pool although less directly than the origin of the shockwave at the closest cause. The butterfly effect works in theory but the actual effect is too negligible to exist as other than background static, since entropy soon blends the chain of causation into a gray soup of sameness, i.e., everything causing everything, long before the effects of flapping butterfly wings reaches the other side of the globe, if it ever does. And, if one duck is removed then all the others move in a ripple effect and different ducks come into contact, causing a shift in causes, thus creating the need for exponents of exponents for accurate computer climate models (the new science) to be verified by unborn generations.Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 7:10 amI'm not really seeing what you are seeing here.....from my experience, 'cause and effect' is just the same one action in the same instant, there is no causer of any effect, because every effect is caused via the preceding effect, so cause and effect are the same one action...in that both cause and effect are appearances interacting with other appearances ..there's no actual first causer of any effect there...the only requirement for any appearance which is just another label for (space-time duality) is to be made aware of the appearance, and that requires a witness which is the screen of consciousness on which the appearance shows up.
So we've already cleared that point up.... so any effect is just an appearance of a preceding effect causing the next effect...but there is no actual first causer of any effect, there are here only effects effecting each other. So no actual first causer of any apparent happening...there's just what's appearing to happen in what is not happening...in that all effects are triggered via preceding effects...and these effects spontaneously appear infinitely ...
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Decartes before dehorse?Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 3:51 pmWhere is René Descartes now then?
He said ... Cogito ergo sum. (I think; therefore I am.) He found that he could not doubt that he himself existed, as he was the one doing the doubting in the first place.
So where is this ''himself'' existing now..where is he?
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This is true only when “being” includes the “I thought,” because all thought follows from the I thought, however all being does not follow from the I thought. Both grammatically and in life, Being is a function of Am, not I.
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Lawlessness in science is fudging. This link makes the case that bureaucratic arrogance is cause for government lawlessness, which might be an absolute for political philosophy.
“America’s real breaking point? Bureaucratic arrogance — and the lawlessness it engenders — is metastasizing, driven by a 2016 election that didn’t produce the properly “enlightened” results favored by those bureaucrats.”
https://patriotpost.us/articles/63304-t ... ureaucracy
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Lawless indeed...Walker wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 8:06 amLawlessness in science is fudging. This link makes the case that bureaucratic arrogance is cause for government lawlessness, which might be an absolute for political philosophy.
“America’s real breaking point? Bureaucratic arrogance — and the lawlessness it engenders — is metastasizing, driven by a 2016 election that didn’t produce the properly “enlightened” results favored by those bureaucrats.”
https://patriotpost.us/articles/63304-t ... ureaucracy
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Re: You never happened.
If there is only being, that is fairly empty. What can you think of iif you are being without sensations. Sensations enable your being to interact with reality and so with other people. But sensations are produced by the brain from data in light waves, sound waves, odor molecules and taste molecules. Moreover the sensations enter memories which are needed to explain how reality works.
We can't understand reality and the past if we don't understand sensations and memories. But we do understand sensations and memories so we understand how to refer to reality and we understand where understanding comes from; experience and memories of experience.
Not only do i happen but the sensations and memories happen ( or happened).
We can't understand reality and the past if we don't understand sensations and memories. But we do understand sensations and memories so we understand how to refer to reality and we understand where understanding comes from; experience and memories of experience.
Not only do i happen but the sensations and memories happen ( or happened).
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Nothing to think about is the primordial recognition of shunyata, which is ever-apparent when mind traces the I thought to its source.
A method of understanding the nature of sensation is to close the sensory gates (pratyahara). The gates will reopen when necessary.
A method of understanding the nature of memories is to stop thinking the memories. The memories will return when necessary.
What becomes understood in turning attention from outward to inward is the arbitrary, transitory nature of sensations and memories. They come and go, however reality always remains.
A method of understanding the nature of sensation is to close the sensory gates (pratyahara). The gates will reopen when necessary.
A method of understanding the nature of memories is to stop thinking the memories. The memories will return when necessary.
What becomes understood in turning attention from outward to inward is the arbitrary, transitory nature of sensations and memories. They come and go, however reality always remains.