bahman wrote: ↑Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:46 pm
Age wrote: ↑Fri Jan 18, 2019 4:27 am
bahman wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:43 pm
It is evil if you care to live.
Yes, and that was my point.
Because obviously if they did not want to live, and in fact knew they were going to die, soon enough, maybe they would like and much prefer to be put out of their misery and killed sooner than later.
That is another scenario. In my scenario however one of them could survive. No need to say that we don't kill a person who is for sure dying and have a miserable condition, a person with cancer for example, because we think that that is evil.
I was NOT directly thinking of an example like that at all here.
I was talking about the scenario that you gave of TWO human beings "starving to death". One MIGHT be much closer to death and NOT want to live anymore anyway. In order so the other (who may be a son or daughter for example) could live, they may wish to be killed, and since they have LITERALLY less to live for, the BETTER, MORE RIGHT, and MORE GOOD thing to do is want to be killed to let the younger one live. I was questioning the "evil" in that type of scenario, about "starving to death".
The trouble with ALL of these: Is it wrong or right to do ... in this "scenario", morality/ethical issues, is ALL the variables are NEVER discussed, nor could they ever really be. What is perceived to be an "evil" act on first reading/hearing could in fact be a very loving, "good" act, with just the slightest variable looked at and/or added.
This applies to absolutely EACH and EVERY right/wrong, good/bad scenario.
bahman wrote: ↑Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:46 pmAge wrote: ↑Fri Jan 18, 2019 4:27 am
bahman wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:43 pm
Otherwise it is indifferent.
Always?
Yes.
Age wrote: ↑Fri Jan 18, 2019 4:27 am
bahman wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:43 pm
Oh well, you need to prepare yourself to kill a person which this is right but not good to you if you were used to being good.
If, however, a person wants assistance to be killed, to prevent unnecessary suffering, then could this be good?
Yes, if we intellectually grow enough then we would kill a person who has cancer and we know that s/he dies miserably.
This is a completely different scenario from the one you began and from the one that I was referring.
(But maybe a subliminal thought was instilled into that sentence for a reason?)
bahman wrote: ↑Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:46 pmAge wrote: ↑Fri Jan 18, 2019 4:27 am
bahman wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:43 pm
We just discover to make our food, agriculture for example, and that allowed us chance to eat non-human being. That is coded inside our genes as a good now.
So, for example, when you human beings stop killing and eating all animals, then is it by shear coincidence that that code inside your genes will say this is a good now also, or is it some thing else that decides that this code inside your genes as a good now?
Yes.
Did you NOT real ALL of the question, or did you NOT understand it, or did some thing else happen?
I asked you a either/or question.
A "yes" (or "no") response does NOT work.
If it is just by shear coincidence that the genes say that this is good now, when morality/ethics change within human beings as they evolve, then so be it. Or,
If it is some thing else that actually DECIDES that the genes say that this is goo now, when morality/ethics change within human beings as they evolve, then so be it.
But which one is it? The answer is NOT "yes" nor is it a "no".
bahman wrote: ↑Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:46 pmAge wrote: ↑Fri Jan 18, 2019 4:27 am
By the way the coded "good" and "bad" within your genes does NOT change its "good" and "bad" along the way. The encrypted "good" and "bad" Knowledge code is fixed and the same ALWAYS. Just waiting to come-to-light or be revealed.
Yes.
Age wrote: ↑Fri Jan 18, 2019 4:27 am
The passed on thoughts/knowledge, however, obviously changes along the way.
Yes.
Age wrote: ↑Fri Jan 18, 2019 4:27 am
bahman wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:43 pm
Yes, that was an impression from me because I was good at that moment. Death is hard to accept to anybody.
Surely there is some bodies that accept death very easily?
I guess no if s/he is in good state of mind. But s/he is free to decide.
In the actual and Real Truth of Life, there is NO death. There is only change, or transformation. The passing on and changing from one perceived thing to another perceived thing is VERY EASY TO ACCEPT, from the One and only Thing's perspective.
bahman wrote: ↑Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:46 pmAge wrote: ↑Fri Jan 18, 2019 4:27 am
bahman wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:43 pm
So killing is evil if you are aware that everything is indifferent but you decided to be good.
But what if it is good to kill some times?
Yes, killing is good some times. For example, a person who surely die because of cancer.
But it would only be 'good' if they WANTED to "die", right?
bahman wrote: ↑Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:46 pmAge wrote: ↑Fri Jan 18, 2019 4:27 am
bahman wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:43 pm
Yes, if everybody decide to do good in spite of knowing that the reality is indifferent or simply following the code which instruct them to do good if they are unaware.
When you use the word 'the' in front of the word 'reality', to me, it sounds like you want to express 'The reality of some thing or other'. But do you just mean, 'Reality (itself) is indifferent?
That was my mistake. I think we don't use "the" for "reality".
Age wrote: ↑Fri Jan 18, 2019 4:27 am
bahman wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:43 pm
Needless to say for some people it is hard to be good.
Yes I have noticed this. There still exists some human beings who even consider, let alone those ones that BELIEVE, that punishment for a crime is NOT "evil", but in fact a "good" thing to do. Some human beings still BELIEVE that it is a very good thing to do, and they are very happy, when they kill/murder other human beings for doing so called "evil" acts, or for even just having different views and beliefs.
In fact it could be said that ALL adult human beings find it hard to be good.
Yes.
Age wrote: ↑Fri Jan 18, 2019 4:27 am
bahman wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:43 pm
So you need to take care of them somehow.
I truly agree here wholeheartedly that I need to take care of ALL you adult human beings, so that ALL children can and will grow up NOT being abused, like they are now.
How I do this is by teaching adults that the word 'discipline' involves 'self-discipline' to learn how to teach children what is right in Life, and that 'discipline' does NOT involve rules, laws, NOR punishment in any way, shape, nor form.
That is good approach.