You are being rhetoric in mixing and conflating too many element in the above.bahman wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 4:05 pmMind is a physical state if it is due to physical activity. A physical state simply cannot experience another physical state, taste of salt.Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 4:12 amFrom where did you arrive at the above conclusion?
1. "A physical state simply cannot experience another physical state, taste of salt."
I agree if the above physical state [emergence] is related to non-human states.
2. " Mind is a physical state if it is due to physical activity."
You are being deceptive here.
Mind is not a physical state is as in 1 above.
Mind is a human mental state emerging out of physical states.
A mental state can experience, i.e. taste of salt.
I did claim it is the proof.That, anesthetic, is not a proof for mind being emergent.Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 6:14 am The human body is made up of specific physical elements.
The fact that such a combination of body parts can culminate in thinking, planning, experiencing, making decision imply there is an emergent. That emergent is conveniently label as mind. We can even switch it [mind] off to some extent with anesthetic.
Anesthetic is a clue and an indirect inference.
Yes, there is nothing wrong with dualism.There is nothing wrong with dualism.Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 6:14 amAt this specific refine level, your argument is corrupted with duality and monism.
What is wrong with my argument?
But in your case you are using dualism to prove monism.
You missed the point.Physical of course is an illusion. Mind in your view is an illusion since it is emergent. Therefore everything is illusion. Illusion however cannot persist. Therefore your model of reality is wrong. There is of course something out there.Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 6:14 am You insist there is "that" something [out there, absolute] when in reality there is nothing to speak of.
Yes, everything in a way is an illusion.
But one can have reality within illusion, i.e. venn diagram as in;
- ILLUSION-A [reality]
Within the subset of 'reality' there could be a sub-subset of illusions, i.e. illusion-B, e.g. bent-stick in water, rope-snake and the whole loads of sensual-illusions. Thus,
- ILLUSION-A [reality{illusion-Bs} ]
So there is nothing out there of reality-as-it-is, there is only the main set ILLUSION-A.
Despite being encompassed by ILLUSION-A, human beings are being realistic within reality-as-it-is, i.e. the train on a train-track one is standing on is real, so jump off the track.