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The only problem for you is the belief that there is an actual real solipsist there.Arising_uk wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2019 11:41 am
This does remind me of how in my undergraduate days we solved the problem of the solipsist in the bar after lectures, just kept on gently punching them until they asked us to stop.
And yet all those shadows requested us to stop?That's right, it's amazing magic how that happens isn't it.
Yes, I do.Arising_uk wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2019 11:41 amMy mistake I thought you thought solipsism unrefutable.Speakpigeon wrote:How would I know?
Good excuse.Arising_uk wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2019 11:41 amI don't need to disprove it I just think it is refutable and given this is supposed to be a philosophy forum I thought I'd put my refutation out thereSo, why do you need to disprove solipsism?
So it is a problem...Arising_uk wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2019 11:41 am This does remind me of how in my undergraduate days we solved the problem of the solipsist in the bar after lectures, just kept on gently punching them until they asked us to stop.
Very well said. I'm impressed by how articulate I am in my imagination.Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2019 1:16 pmThat's right, it's amazing magic how that happens isn't it. Pain wants to stop and pleasure wants to continue. Oh the intelligence that is infinite awareness.The shadow is a metaphor for the assumed separate self that resides inside the body. There is only one of us here no matter how much you deny it...that would be self denial, which is absurd.The self is not inside a body ..the body is inside the self which has no body except as a projected image of it's imageless no body.
Yeah I kind of liked how I worded that myselfSpeakpigeon wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2019 5:30 pmVery well said. I'm impressed by how articulate I am in my imagination.Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2019 1:16 pmThat's right, it's amazing magic how that happens isn't it. Pain wants to stop and pleasure wants to continue. Oh the intelligence that is infinite awareness.The shadow is a metaphor for the assumed separate self that resides inside the body. There is only one of us here no matter how much you deny it...that would be self denial, which is absurd.The self is not inside a body ..the body is inside the self which has no body except as a projected image of it's imageless no body.
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don’t you just love the sound of your own imagination 
Only to those who believe in fairies.Dontaskme [/quote wrote:
That's right, it's amazing magic how that happens isn't it.
Nope, the entity experiencing pain wants it to stop and pleasure to continue.Pain wants to stop and pleasure wants to continue.
If the above are examples then it doesn't speak highly of its intelligence.Oh the intelligence that is infinite awareness.
There is no seperate self apart from the body.The shadow is a metaphor for the assumed separate self that resides inside the body.
Every word you speak shows your absurdity, "us", "you", "only one". Since I am not you there are at least two of us here.There is only one of us here no matter how much you deny it...that would be self denial, which is absurd.
None of the above. Since you never clarify which sense of self you're talking about I'll go with our self-conscious self and that is the being of a body with memory, senses and a language in an external world.The self is not inside a body ..the body is inside the self which has no body except as a projected image of it's imageless no body.
For what?Speakpigeon wrote: Good excuse.
Only to those who express it.So it is a problem...
At that time it was getting in the way of the drinking.So, why do you feel you need to solve it?
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Nope, nobody has ever seen an entity...it’s just a belief ...Magict out of thin air...look around there’s nothing but empty space.Arising_uk wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2019 7:02 pmNope, the entity experiencing pain wants it to stop and pleasure to continue.
There's something wrong with your eyes? Ah! I know, you have a metaphysical mote in them.Dontaskme wrote:Nope, nobody has ever seen an entity...it’s just a belief ...Magict out of thin air...look around there’s nothing but empty space.
That’s magic source.
no, you became aware of an appearance of a response to an apparent utterance and it cascaded from there...Arising_uk wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2019 10:14 pmWell I don't know about you but I was taught the language that I use. Still, ignoring that I'm not arguing that Chomsky was wrong and there is not a universal grammar 'module' in us, nor am I arguing that it is not possible that a solitary being could not link the noises it utters to the things it 'thoughts'(I don't use 'thinks' here as I make a distinction between thoughts and thinking with thinking reserved for that that we do with language with its internal voice). What I am arguing is that the actual language we are using is full of words that a solitary/solipsistic being would not be able to think up as it would quite literally have no need for them or even be able to conceive of them.Impenitent wrote: no, they are proof you have an active imagination... you create the language you use; the meaning behind it is yours as you perceive it...
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A response? From where?Impenitent wrote:no, you became aware of an appearance of a response to an apparent utterance and it cascaded from there... ...
"your"? My knowledge of pronouns proves you wrong.your belief in an appearance of externality is not proof of externality... ...
Not unless they've been taught a language they don't.but don't worry, lots of people hear voices in their head...
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No thing is looking out of those eyes...when you look at a persons eyes you are looking at an image..there is nothing behind the image.Arising_uk wrote: ↑Sat Mar 23, 2019 12:15 amThere's something wrong with your eyes? Ah! I know, you have a metaphysical mote in them.Dontaskme wrote:Nope, nobody has ever seen an entity...it’s just a belief ...Magict out of thin air...look around there’s nothing but empty space.
That’s magic source.
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So, it was a problem for you.Arising_uk wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2019 7:06 pmAt that time it was getting in the way of the drinking.So, why do you feel you need to solve it?