Logik wrote: ↑Sun Dec 30, 2018 4:55 pm
Age wrote: ↑Sun Dec 30, 2018 4:33 pm
Are you speaking for ALL people here?
No. Your all-or-nothing thinking is getting tiresome.
I do NOT want to make assumptions, so I was just clarifying. After all some people like to believe that they can, and do, speak for ALL people. I was just checking to see if you thought that you were one of those people.
Also, asking clarifying questions is NOT necessarily speaking from all-or-nothing thinking at all. In fact, with my next quote below, which was WITH this one, then it would be quite OBVIOUS that I was NOT thinking 'all-or-nothing' at all. So, I am NOT sure HOW you arrived at this 'all-or-nothing thinking' conclusion.
I could probably ask you for clarification at HOW you derived to such a WRONG conclusion, but then you might jump to some other, obviously, wrong conclusion also.
Why is it so hard for adult human beings to just answer a question without jumping to some sort of conclusion about what is being asked? You can just take My word, literally, for what I say as being
'what is said', that is; when I ask a clarifying question, then the only reason is for clarity.
By the way if you do NOT like my clarifying questions, asked to you, or you find this unsure, inquisitive thinking tiresome, then surely you would KNOW what to do now.
Logik wrote: ↑Sun Dec 30, 2018 4:55 pm It's safe to assume/believe that when I speak about reality I speak and think along continuums.
When you speak of 'reality', is that YOUR reality, or, the bigger, more Truthful reality?
Logik wrote: ↑Sun Dec 30, 2018 4:55 pmAnd so - I am speaking for some of the people, not all of the people. It so happens to be some of the people happen to be the majority (but not all) of the people.
Are you sure that when you speak for the people that it is actually for the 'majority' of the people? Also, when you are speaking for the, alleged, "majority", of the people, then how often, along the continuum, do you propose that you are doing this?
Logik wrote: ↑Sun Dec 30, 2018 4:55 pmAge wrote: ↑Sun Dec 30, 2018 4:33 pm
And, it does NOT matter if most people do, or even what ALL people do, you asked for My distinction between assumptions and beliefs, and I gave mine.
So you don't have any beliefs but you have many assumptions?
What are you defining 'many' as here? As this will influence if my answer will be "RIGHT" or "WRONG".
I do NOT want to make any assumptions, so I NEVER consciously make them. But on occasions i do assume things, unintentionally, as you have proven by SHOWING of them here for us, and of which I am grateful. If you do notice other assumptions that I make I would very much appreciate it if you would EXPOSE those ones also.
The more WRONG, which i am doing, that i am directed to, then the better i can become.
Logik wrote: ↑Sun Dec 30, 2018 4:55 pmBy your definition I don't have any beliefs either.
Okay, then that is great. You will be more open.
Logik wrote: ↑Sun Dec 30, 2018 4:55 pmAge wrote: ↑Sun Dec 30, 2018 4:33 pm
Are you absolutely sure of this?
No. It's only my strongest held assumption.
But WHY hold on to an assumption at all? And, WHY are some of your made up assumptions more strongly held on to then others are?
Logik wrote: ↑Sun Dec 30, 2018 4:55 pmLogik wrote: ↑Sun Dec 30, 2018 3:07 pmBy your definition of belief - there is not a single person on this forum who has any.
Are you sure of this also?
Yes I am sure. But I don't believe it.
Well, to me, anyway, that is a great way that you are now thinking, and are now seeing things. Let us SEE how long this will last for.
I, however, have seen people in this forum who have beliefs, from my definition. For these people they can NOT even LOOK AT their BELIEFS as even possibly being changed. There are countless examples of this behavior happening here, in this forum, and continuing to happen.
Maybe you have misinterpreted my definition of the word 'belief'. Would you like to elaborate on what my definition of the word 'belief' is, to you?
Logik wrote: ↑Sun Dec 30, 2018 4:55 pmLogik wrote: ↑Sun Dec 30, 2018 3:07 pm
Tell me how a belief, which by my definition is believed to be true, can be changed WHILST the BELIEF is being HELD ON TO and/or MAINTAINED?
It cannot be changed.
That is how I SEE this also.
Logik wrote: ↑Sun Dec 30, 2018 4:55 pm Absolute belief (as you defined it - the extreme right of the belief-scale) means "infinite belief".
But I NEVER used the word 'absolute', that is of your doing. I also did NOT define belief on a belief-scale. I give words specific definitions. I do this so ambiguity does NOT so easily occur. If there is any sort of scale to the definition of a word, then a misunderstanding can to easily happen. Also, the conclusion and term 'infinite belief' is some thing else of your doing, NOT mine.
Logik wrote: ↑Sun Dec 30, 2018 4:55 pmInfinite belief requires infinite evidence to be swayed.
If that is what you so believe.
Logik wrote: ↑Sun Dec 30, 2018 4:55 pmWhich is the same as saying "I cannot be swayed". Because we do not have infinite evidence on any matter.
To people who are holding and maintaining a BELIEF, then they can NOT be swayed. As you so rightly alluded to, because even with an infinite amount of contrary actual evidence to a BELIEF some people just can NOT be swayed at all.
Logik wrote: ↑Sun Dec 30, 2018 3:07 pmAge wrote: ↑Sun Dec 30, 2018 4:33 pm
OBVIOUSLY BELIEFS can be changed.
You contradict your own definition.
I did NOT contradict my own definition at all.
If you left in ALL of what I wrote with this quote, then it would be CLEARLY SEEN that I did NOT contradict this response.
I will SHOW what I wrote again, just in case you missed it.
You, adult human beings, are forever changing your BELIEFS, some more than others.
You change them whenever it suits you, and when you NEED to, to fit in with your other BELIEFS, which are also changing, some times quite frequently.
But, also as OBVIOUS is the fact that IF, and whilst, a BELIEF is being HELD ON TO, then THAT BELIEF can NOT be changed.
One BELIEF has to be first 'let go of' BEFORE it could be changed into another BELIEF.
The last statement in italics CLEARLY SHOWS that I did NOT contradict any thing, as I STATED how and when BELIEFS can and do CHANGE.
So, I have explained HOW, WHEN and WHY BELIEFS can NOT change, AND, I also have explained HOW, WHEN and WHY BELIEFS can, and do, change.
Logik wrote: ↑Sun Dec 30, 2018 3:07 pmAge wrote: ↑Sun Dec 30, 2018 4:33 pmLogik wrote: ↑Sun Dec 30, 2018 3:07 pmIf a belief can be swayed the it was never absolute.
Are you sure of this?
What do you call a BELIEF, at the moment that it can NOT be swayed?
To me it is possible that ALL beliefs
CAN be swayed, with and through the RIGHT terminology/language. However, learning HOW to communicate that RIGHT terminology/language, for ALL BELIEFS, just takes some time. For the obvious reason that ALL adult human beings have varying BELIEFS.
ALL BELIEFS
can be swayed/changed with the RIGHT language, but until that language COMES TO LIGHT, then whilst BELIEFS are being HELD and/or MAINTAINED, then those BELIEFS
can not be swayed/changed.
A 'HELD BELIEF' is just
having a belief, which takes conscious effort.
A 'MAINTAINED BELIEF' is just
bias confirming, (of an already held belief), which can happen on the three levels of consciously, sub-consciously, and unconsciously.