Are illusions real?
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Are illusions real?
They certainly look real (a side question would be the best illusion you've seen?)
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Re: Are illusions real?
The word ''real'' is a idea...show me what an idea looks like?Philosophy Explorer wrote: βSun Jul 29, 2018 11:06 pm They certainly look real (a side question would be the best illusion you've seen?)
PhilX
Illusion just means things are not what they appear to be, not that they don't exist, because they exist as the concept dictates.
How does that happen, how does the uncreated create the appearance of the created?
No seer has ever seen the exact location of the claimed seer...I am the seer is taken for granted, without question...is probably the best illusion ever.
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Re: Are illusions real?
Dam said:
"... show me what an idea looks like?" Which one would you like to see?
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"... show me what an idea looks like?" Which one would you like to see?
PhilX
Re: Are illusions real?
Philosophy Explorer wrote: βMon Jul 30, 2018 3:44 pm Dam said:
"... show me what an idea looks like?" Which one would you like to see?
PhilX
Just the one please..
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Re: Are illusions real?
Is that the question you intend? Concepts like, "real," are contextual. Obviously illusions exist, but they are only real if the mode of existence (physical, psychological, fictional, etc.) is specified and they actually have that mode. The concept Santa Claus exists but only as a fiction used for the entertainment of children. There really is such a concept, but its mode is a fiction. Santa Claus does not exist in a physical mode.Philosophy Explorer wrote: βSun Jul 29, 2018 11:06 pm Are illusions real?
They certainly look real (a side question would be the best illusion you've seen?)
PhilX
Illusions are certainly real, in the sense we actually have them. Aren't you really asking if the content of illusions are correct representations of reality?
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Re: Are illusions real?
Here's what an idea looks like:Dontaskme wrote: βMon Jul 30, 2018 9:47 amThe word ''real'' is a idea...show me what an idea looks like?Philosophy Explorer wrote: βSun Jul 29, 2018 11:06 pm They certainly look real (a side question would be the best illusion you've seen?)
PhilX
Illusion just means things are not what they appear to be, not that they don't exist, because they exist as the concept dictates.
How does that happen, how does the uncreated create the appearance of the created?
No seer has ever seen the exact location of the claimed seer...I am the seer is taken for granted, without question...is probably the best illusion ever.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikiped ... mals/Birds
They look like birds to me.
PhilX
Re: Are illusions real?
A bird is an idea..no bird has ever been seen, a bird is just a known concept by the only knowing there is, which is consciousness the great illusionist that ever was, making the invisible visible.Philosophy Explorer wrote: βMon Jul 30, 2018 8:21 pm
Here's what an idea looks like:
They look like birds to me.
In other words, no one has ever seen and idea, or a thought, or a consciousness.
Nothing but concepts all the way down...aka illusions.
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Re: Are illusions real?
"A bird is an idea." Exactly so that completes my proof to you which you've just acknowledged. Thank you for your affirmation.Dontaskme wrote: βTue Jul 31, 2018 10:15 amA bird is an idea..no bird has ever been seen, a bird is just a known concept by the only knowing there is, which is consciousness the great illusionist that ever was, making the invisible visible.Philosophy Explorer wrote: βMon Jul 30, 2018 8:21 pm
Here's what an idea looks like:
They look like birds to me.
In other words, no one has ever seen and idea, or a thought, or a consciousness.
Nothing but concepts all the way down...aka illusions.
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PhilX
Re: Are illusions real?
YOU have never seen an illusion - YOU are the illusion and the illusion is real, apparently, as known by no one.Philosophy Explorer wrote: βSun Jul 29, 2018 11:06 pm They certainly look real (a side question would be the best illusion you've seen?)
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Re: Are illusions real?
Since you're not me, you don't know if I've seen an illusion when in fact I have seen many. Since you're conversing with me, you're acknowledging my reality.Dontaskme wrote: βTue Jul 31, 2018 11:18 amYOU have never seen an illusion - YOU are the illusion and the illusion is real, apparently, as known by no one.Philosophy Explorer wrote: βSun Jul 29, 2018 11:06 pm They certainly look real (a side question would be the best illusion you've seen?)
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Re: Are illusions real?
You say you have seen an illusion.Philosophy Explorer wrote: βTue Jul 31, 2018 11:23 amSince you're not me, you don't know if I've seen an illusion when in fact I have seen many. Since you're conversing with me, you're acknowledging my reality.Dontaskme wrote: βTue Jul 31, 2018 11:18 amYOU have never seen an illusion - YOU are the illusion and the illusion is real, apparently, as known by no one.Philosophy Explorer wrote: βSun Jul 29, 2018 11:06 pm They certainly look real (a side question would be the best illusion you've seen?)
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Have you seen what is seeing that illusion?
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Re: Are illusions real?
YesDontaskme wrote: βTue Jul 31, 2018 11:58 amYou say you have seen an illusion.Philosophy Explorer wrote: βTue Jul 31, 2018 11:23 amSince you're not me, you don't know if I've seen an illusion when in fact I have seen many. Since you're conversing with me, you're acknowledging my reality.
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Have you seen what is seeing that illusion?
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Can you show what is seeing the illusion?Philosophy Explorer wrote: βTue Jul 31, 2018 12:18 pmYesDontaskme wrote: βTue Jul 31, 2018 11:58 amYou say you have seen an illusion.Philosophy Explorer wrote: βTue Jul 31, 2018 11:23 am
Since you're not me, you don't know if I've seen an illusion when in fact I have seen many. Since you're conversing with me, you're acknowledging my reality.
PhilX
Have you seen what is seeing that illusion?
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Re: Are illusions real?
Yes, you are. Check your mirror.
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Re: Are illusions real?
Why would the seer (you) need a mirror to show it is you ?Philosophy Explorer wrote: βTue Jul 31, 2018 12:46 pmYes, you are. Check your mirror.
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