Objective Reality

[Dontaskme]

If you do not believe in human minds, you do not believe in human beings. The human mind is what differentiates human beings from all other organisms.

Who told you you were human?

You do not have to believe that, of course, but you cannot claim to be a human being and deny you have a mind.

[RCSaunders]

Who told you you were human?

Please peddle you disingenuous sophism someplace else.

Randy

[Dontaskme]

Who told you you were human?

Please peddle you disingenuous sophism someplace else.

Randy

There is only now-here.

You knew nothing, you were naked and nameless at your birth, you were pure oneness, then somewhere along the line you took on the idea of 'otherness' when your parents told you your name, which birthed the original not-knowing you into the realm of identitfied you.

One of you is real, the other is false.

Take your pick.

But don't get angry at me just because you fear to face your own true face.

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[Dalek Prime]

Let's suppose we have an event (I'm not goint into any particular event, just any event that fits into this post).

We call the event E.

E was noticed by an Observer (O).

Now, let's suppose nobody except O noticed the event. Nothing in the universe, except O was affected by E.

Nobody saw, nobody heard and nobody had their atoms moved around by E, except O, which of course, told the rest of the world of E.

Only through O do we notice E. We don't know wether O was correct.

Now, let's suppose O is a human being. Lots of stuff can happen to a human, including the brain making tricks on itself. But let's suppose for this example, that E was an external event. That is, it did not come from within the human Observer. Let's suppose E cast a beam of light that travelled into O's eyes creating a vision of something. The light beam did not travel anywhere else. But it did happen, externally that is!

The rest of the world is in the unknowing wether E happened to O. The only thing they know was that O told them about E, but it could be imaginary, or it could be real. The rest of the world will NEVER know wether E was real.

Now, since E never affected anything in the universe, except O, and only through O's actions (public speeches about E) affects the the rest of the world, what is the Objective Reality?

Did E happen?

Another example of my thought-experiment is more visual:

Let's have a singularity in pure nothingness. For the sake of understanding this, let's visually represent "nothing" as a clean white piece of paper.
The singularity is an X anywhere on the paper.

Does X exist?

In relation to what, you might ask. In relation to nothing. X exist in relation to nothing, so IS X?

Now let's have another X (X2) anywhere on the same paper.

Does X exist in relation to X2? Where? What is location in this nothingness, what is distance?

Let's have a third X, X3. Now we can have distances. X relates in angles to X2 and X3.

Now we can say for sure, X exist. But does X still exist if we erase X2 or X3?

In short, can we only talk about existence, in relation to something else, or can something exist on its own?

Let X equal a creation, a birth, a new awareness. Let X2 etc. be the next awareness. X exists, and will exist, despite any other Xs in the population.

I'll think about your first idea later.