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It's said the universe has everything. If so how do you account for the nonexistence of before and after? And if they don't exist, then now doesn't exist either because now follows before which is needed to cause now (but before doesn't exist) and after doesn't exist since it's not caused by now which doesn't exist.

PhilX

Nonexistence cannot exist because that would violate the law of non contradiction
There has always been something because a state of absolute nothing is impossible

surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:51 pm Nonexistence cannot exist because that would violate the law of non contradiction
There has always been something because a state of absolute nothing is impossible

Did the universe then exist before the Big Bang?
PhilX

What existed before the Big Bang is not currently known at this point in time though
the event itself was simply the beginning of local cosmic expansion and nothing else

Our universe is just a tiny drop in a vast ocean.

QuantumT wrote: ↑Sat Jul 14, 2018 11:44 pm Our universe is just a tiny drop in a vast ocean.

Hogyaszongya:

If that's true, then what is a single human being? Or the Earth? Or the Solar system?

Once you start comparing delimeted (finite) amounts to infinite amounts, the analogy breaks down, because a vast ocean is not even a drop of water against infinity.

In fact, any finite expanse relates to the infinite as a dimensionless point relates to any three-d object of any size of non-zero dimensions.

surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 14, 2018 5:51 pm What existed before the Big Bang is not currently known at this point in time though
the event itself was simply the beginning of local cosmic expansion and nothing else

In fact, off the centre of our own known universe, a bit to the left, but not too far, is a local mass which had no beginning of local cosmic expansion.

Phusicists are currently calculating if this mass is off centre of the geometrical centre,or of the point of gravity of our known universe.

One thing is for sure: we know not much about the unknown universe.

-1- wrote: ↑Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:48 am Phusicists are currently calculating if this mass is off centre of the geometrical centre,or of the point of gravity of our known universe.

Are they now? How very pre-Hubble of them. You have a reference for this one?

Noax wrote: ↑Mon Jul 16, 2018 7:06 pm

-1- wrote: ↑Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:48 am Phusicists are currently calculating if this mass is off centre of the geometrical centre,or of the point of gravity of our known universe.

Are they now? How very pre-Hubble of them. You have a reference for this one?

Unfortunately, the off-centre non-expanding local cosmic mass is part of the unknown part of the universe.

So sorry. Better luck next time.

-1- wrote: ↑Mon Jul 16, 2018 7:33 pm Unfortunately, the off-centre non-expanding local cosmic mass is part of the unknown part of the universe.

Really...
Do you have a link for this one then? Where are you learning these facts?

surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:51 pm Nonexistence cannot exist because that would violate the law of non contradiction
There has always been something because a state of absolute nothing is impossible

YES!

Noax wrote: ↑Tue Jul 17, 2018 11:21 am

-1- wrote: ↑Mon Jul 16, 2018 7:33 pm Unfortunately, the off-centre non-expanding local cosmic mass is part of the unknown part of the universe.

Really...
Do you have a link for this one then? Where are you learning these facts?

How do you suppose to find a link to what's unknown? Duh...

Facts? Are you saying I am quoting facts? Double duhh...

-1- wrote: ↑Tue Jul 17, 2018 10:36 pm

Noax wrote: ↑Tue Jul 17, 2018 11:21 amDo you have a link for this one then? Where are you learning these facts?

How do you suppose to find a link to what's unknown? Duh...

Facts? Are you saying I am quoting facts? Double duhh...

You first post implied that actual physicists are looking for this thing you've apparently just made up then.
The second post implied that they've found this center of mass to be outside our visible universe.
These statements suggest actual theories and findings, not unknown fiction.

Center of the universe is quite easy to point to actually, but it doesn't fit the description you put up here.