Before and after: the universe has everything?

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Before and after: the universe has everything?

Post by Philosophy Explorer » Fri Jul 13, 2018 1:40 pm

It's said the universe has everything. If so how do you account for the nonexistence of before and after? And if they don't exist, then now doesn't exist either because now follows before which is needed to cause now (but before doesn't exist) and after doesn't exist since it's not caused by now which doesn't exist.

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Re: Before and after: the universe has everything?

Post by surreptitious57 » Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:51 pm

Nonexistence cannot exist because that would violate the law of non contradiction
There has always been something because a state of absolute nothing is impossible

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Re: Before and after: the universe has everything?

Post by Philosophy Explorer » Fri Jul 13, 2018 9:07 pm

surreptitious57 wrote:
Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:51 pm
Nonexistence cannot exist because that would violate the law of non contradiction
There has always been something because a state of absolute nothing is impossible
Did the universe then exist before the Big Bang?
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Re: Before and after: the universe has everything?

Post by surreptitious57 » Sat Jul 14, 2018 5:51 pm

What existed before the Big Bang is not currently known at this point in time though
the event itself was simply the beginning of local cosmic expansion and nothing else

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Re: Before and after: the universe has everything?

Post by QuantumT » Sat Jul 14, 2018 11:44 pm

Our universe is just a tiny drop in a vast ocean.

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Re: Before and after: the universe has everything?

Post by -1- » Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:41 am

QuantumT wrote:
Sat Jul 14, 2018 11:44 pm
Our universe is just a tiny drop in a vast ocean.
Hogyaszongya:

If that's true, then what is a single human being? Or the Earth? Or the Solar system?

Once you start comparing delimeted (finite) amounts to infinite amounts, the analogy breaks down, because a vast ocean is not even a drop of water against infinity.

In fact, any finite expanse relates to the infinite as a dimensionless point relates to any three-d object of any size of non-zero dimensions.

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Re: Before and after: the universe has everything?

Post by -1- » Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:48 am

surreptitious57 wrote:
Sat Jul 14, 2018 5:51 pm
What existed before the Big Bang is not currently known at this point in time though
the event itself was simply the beginning of local cosmic expansion and nothing else
In fact, off the centre of our own known universe, a bit to the left, but not too far, is a local mass which had no beginning of local cosmic expansion.

Phusicists are currently calculating if this mass is off centre of the geometrical centre,or of the point of gravity of our known universe.

One thing is for sure: we know not much about the unknown universe.

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Re: Before and after: the universe has everything?

Post by Noax » Mon Jul 16, 2018 7:06 pm

-1- wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:48 am
Phusicists are currently calculating if this mass is off centre of the geometrical centre,or of the point of gravity of our known universe.
Are they now? How very pre-Hubble of them. You have a reference for this one?

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Re: Before and after: the universe has everything?

Post by -1- » Mon Jul 16, 2018 7:33 pm

Noax wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 7:06 pm
-1- wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:48 am
Phusicists are currently calculating if this mass is off centre of the geometrical centre,or of the point of gravity of our known universe.
Are they now? How very pre-Hubble of them. You have a reference for this one?
Unfortunately, the off-centre non-expanding local cosmic mass is part of the unknown part of the universe.

So sorry. Better luck next time.

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Re: Before and after: the universe has everything?

Post by Noax » Tue Jul 17, 2018 11:21 am

-1- wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 7:33 pm
Unfortunately, the off-centre non-expanding local cosmic mass is part of the unknown part of the universe.
Really...
Do you have a link for this one then? Where are you learning these facts?

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Re: Before and after: the universe has everything?

Post by Erk » Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:30 pm

surreptitious57 wrote:
Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:51 pm
Nonexistence cannot exist because that would violate the law of non contradiction
There has always been something because a state of absolute nothing is impossible
YES!

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Re: Before and after: the universe has everything?

Post by -1- » Tue Jul 17, 2018 10:36 pm

Noax wrote:
Tue Jul 17, 2018 11:21 am
-1- wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 7:33 pm
Unfortunately, the off-centre non-expanding local cosmic mass is part of the unknown part of the universe.
Really...
Do you have a link for this one then? Where are you learning these facts?
How do you suppose to find a link to what's unknown? Duh...

Facts? Are you saying I am quoting facts? Double duhh...

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Re: Before and after: the universe has everything?

Post by Noax » Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:38 am

-1- wrote:
Tue Jul 17, 2018 10:36 pm
Noax wrote:
Tue Jul 17, 2018 11:21 am
Do you have a link for this one then? Where are you learning these facts?
How do you suppose to find a link to what's unknown? Duh...

Facts? Are you saying I am quoting facts? Double duhh...
You first post implied that actual physicists are looking for this thing you've apparently just made up then.
The second post implied that they've found this center of mass to be outside our visible universe.
These statements suggest actual theories and findings, not unknown fiction.

Center of the universe is quite easy to point to actually, but it doesn't fit the description you put up here.

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