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Re: Can we trust our perceptions to tell us what's real?
Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2018 8:19 am
by Veritas Aequitas
TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Wed Oct 17, 2018 8:01 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Oct 17, 2018 7:33 am
Example, say, You believe God exists.
Now what Framework and System can you bring about to justify that claim?
WHY do I need to justify my claims?
Further more, "God exists" is not likely a phrase I would utter. The sequence of events would probably go something like this:
Veritas Aequitas: Do you believe in God?
TimeSeeker: Yes
THE END
Whether I am actually answering the question you are asking is
YOUR ERROR not mine
In science - when you ask stupid questions you DO get stupid answers!
Q.E.D: What is the meaning of life, the universe and everything? 42!
This is weird.
If you are to ask me to justify anything, then it is OK I keep quiet or state 42?
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Oct 17, 2018 7:33 am
You tell me, what Framework and System can you bring to justify God exists.
In an epistemic framework anything that is untestable/unfalsifiable (N.B unfalsifiable by WHOM?) is "out of scope". So anything that is unfalsifiable fits the bill for being called a 'God'.
Here is a short list of things that are unfalsifiable:
* ANY logical axiom (1 = 1)
* ANY INVENTED authority (law of excluded middle, law of non-contradiction)
Some people believe in the Gods of Aristotle.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_logic
I do not. I believe in the God of Information.
42, QED.
Re: Can we trust our perceptions to tell us what's real?
Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2018 8:24 am
by TimeSeeker
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Oct 17, 2018 8:19 am
This is weird.
If you are to ask me to justify anything, then it is OK I keep quiet or state 42?
Weird TO WHOM?
42 might make perfect sense TO YOU! Exactly like the answer God makes perfect sense TO A THEIST!
That doesn't mean that I accept that as "sufficient justification". And so we are back to square one!
HOW DO WE DECIDE what is "sufficient justification" ?
If YOU asked ME to justify my beliefs I will ask you:
WHY?
Are you the thought-police or something? What business is it of yours what goes on in my head?
Well, before you can talk about "God" or "42" first you need to define it in some MEANINGFUL way that BOTH OF US can agree to! And so first we need a
theory of meaning.
Is that 42 in decimal, hexadecimal, octal? What?
HOW DO WE DECIDE a theory of meaning?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbol_grounding_problem
Turtles all the way down
Re: Can we trust our perceptions to tell us what's real?
Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2018 8:34 am
by Veritas Aequitas
TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Wed Oct 17, 2018 8:24 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Oct 17, 2018 8:19 am
This is weird.
If you are to ask me to justify anything, then it is OK I keep quiet or state 42?
Weird TO WHOM?
42 might make perfect sense TO YOU! Exactly like the answer God makes perfect sense TO A THEIST!
That doesn't mean that I accept that as "sufficient justification". And so we are back to square one!
HOW DO WE DECIDE what is "sufficient justification" ?
If YOU asked ME to justify my beliefs I will ask you:
WHY?
Are you the thought-police or something? What business is it of yours what goes on in my head?
Well, before you can talk about "God" or "42" first you need to define it in some MEANINGFUL way that BOTH OF US can agree to! And so first we need a
theory of meaning.
Is that 42 in decimal, hexadecimal, octal? What?
HOW DO WE DECIDE a theory of meaning?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbol_grounding_problem
Turtles all the way down
42. QED.
Re: Can we trust our perceptions to tell us what's real?
Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2018 8:34 am
by TimeSeeker
Theist!
In binary '4' and '2' don't exist! They are just illusions.
ONLY 1 and 0 exist!
And when (If! because it seems like you are getting bored) you provide a binary representation of "42", then I will ask.
HOW DO YOU DECIDE Endianness (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endianness )
You see how stupid this game is without prior consensus for co-operation AND a shared objective ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_theory
But more importantly: do you see how many
DECISIONS you take for granted?
The hardest questions are
UNDECIDABLE!