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Re: Proof that all is ONENESS

Post by Eodnhoj7 » Tue Dec 12, 2017 10:49 pm

daramantus wrote:
Tue Dec 12, 2017 10:45 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote:
Tue Dec 12, 2017 10:41 pm
daramantus wrote:
Tue Dec 12, 2017 10:37 pm



"theare is naoh separation man, naoh separata doer, naoh separation, naoh observer, pwerceiver,pelease, agreae witht me, naoh doer, me vs yoo"

you seem to suffer from separation complexity. You really CAN'T accept reality, you can't accept that you are in your home, you are a perceiver of your computer, you are seeing it because you have healthy eyes and healthy rods and cones, if you weren't the perceiver of the object, you wouldn't need eyes if u werent in your body in the central locus of your consciousness. and I'm here in another part of the world, perceiving my computer, that's not even obvious, that's not debatable, you really have problems accepting it, you are like discussing nothing here. It's just that. I don't know why you repeat something that you're clearly wrong, it's laughable.
So according to you, everything is unified as a dividing line?
according to me, 'everything' is lacking definition, because we don't know everything, so we can't make any theories about it, so, no, I don't believing in any " unifying theory" . and each "theory of everything" has failed in the past. because there is no such thing to begin with. Some people have hard time accepting it, hard time accepting that we don't know the unknown, actually we know little to nothing. We can only know from the frame of knowledge available to us, not beyond it. and what is beyond the beyond and outside it. It's like, there is really no such thing as "everything unified"
If everything is lacking in definition, how can you say that holism is false and mutliplicity is true?

If we can only understand our own framework, is that a unified theory?

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Re: Proof that all is ONENESS

Post by daramantus » Tue Dec 12, 2017 11:16 pm

Greta wrote:
Tue Oct 04, 2016 11:41 pm
There is a paradox. Everything is one, yet separate. Those who cannot accept paradoxes will tie themselves in metaphysical knots trying to argue for one aspect or the other.

Pragmatists claim that oneness is illusory because most parts of the universe don't communicate with each other. Romantics claim that separation is an illusion because all parts of the universe are connected, even if only with "neighbours". Each side makes correct observations but incorrect resultant assertions.

The human example suggests that, over time, reality is becoming more interconnected (at least within galaxies) as it cools.
Quarks bond to form protons and neutrons, which bond to form atomic nuclei, which bond with electrons to form atoms, which bond with each other to form molecules. Atoms, ions and molecules in larger numbers bond into a considerable variety of organised matter forms - clouds of gas, liquids and solids of various sizes, from dist to planetary subsystems, to planets, stars and galaxies.

The living cell is an aggregate of atoms and molecules in a bonded structure of liquid-solid form. Cells bond to form colonies, organelles, organs and organisms. Organisms of a given species bond to form breeding groups and societies. Human organisms bond to form polities and civilisations.
https://books.google.com.au/books?id=Ii ... &q&f=false

I would also add that civilisations are bonding via telecommunications and the internet into something that I don't think we have a name for yet, other than "humanity" (or some epithet). Barring accident, it would seem that galaxies left alone for a long time will tend to become ever more integrated, more "one". "Oneness" in a meaningful / practical sense seems more an ideal or future possibility than a current reality.
every thing is not 'one' or 'two' or 'three' so, the number analogy for reality is ridiculous. a thing is ONE, two things are TWO, and from that, you see how wrong is to claim anything about any set of things using a single number, and outside these set of things other set of "things" (by the sake of simplicity calling "things"). there is no paradox. the paradox is being created by dontaskme, by his wrong premise you already gave another one which is also wrong. he is saying like if space was connected integrated with us, or some bs like that, but that's clearly wrong. since empty space exist because objects are separate from each other, distant from each other, so it's completely correct to say that we are IN space. and space is not an 'empty' "something" connected to us. it's empty nothing, even tho space is not a thing, objects are things which separate themselves, which we observe.
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Re: Proof that all is ONENESS

Post by Eodnhoj7 » Tue Dec 12, 2017 11:21 pm

daramantus wrote:
Tue Dec 12, 2017 11:16 pm
Greta wrote:
Tue Oct 04, 2016 11:41 pm
There is a paradox. Everything is one, yet separate. Those who cannot accept paradoxes will tie themselves in metaphysical knots trying to argue for one aspect or the other.

Pragmatists claim that oneness is illusory because most parts of the universe don't communicate with each other. Romantics claim that separation is an illusion because all parts of the universe are connected, even if only with "neighbours". Each side makes correct observations but incorrect resultant assertions.

The human example suggests that, over time, reality is becoming more interconnected (at least within galaxies) as it cools.
Quarks bond to form protons and neutrons, which bond to form atomic nuclei, which bond with electrons to form atoms, which bond with each other to form molecules. Atoms, ions and molecules in larger numbers bond into a considerable variety of organised matter forms - clouds of gas, liquids and solids of various sizes, from dist to planetary subsystems, to planets, stars and galaxies.

The living cell is an aggregate of atoms and molecules in a bonded structure of liquid-solid form. Cells bond to form colonies, organelles, organs and organisms. Organisms of a given species bond to form breeding groups and societies. Human organisms bond to form polities and civilisations.
https://books.google.com.au/books?id=Ii ... &q&f=false

I would also add that civilisations are bonding via telecommunications and the internet into something that I don't think we have a name for yet, other than "humanity" (or some epithet). Barring accident, it would seem that galaxies left alone for a long time will tend to become ever more integrated, more "one". "Oneness" in a meaningful / practical sense seems more an ideal or future possibility than a current reality.
every thing is not 'one' or 'two' or 'three' so, the number analogy for reality is ridiculous. there is no paradox. the paradox is being created by dontaskme, by his wrong premise you already gave another one which is also wrong. he is saying like if space was in us, but that's clearly wrong. since empty space exist because objects are separate from each other, distant from each other, so it's completely correct to say that we are IN space. even tho space is not a thing, objects are things which separate themselves, which we observe.
How is everything not 1, 2 or 3 if everything is composed of dimensions that manifest through the 1D line?

And what is substance but space individuating itself ad-infinitum as the golden ratio: 1+1/(1+1/(1+1/(1+1/(1+1/(1+⋯))))) ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_ratio

How is this not 1?

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Re: Proof that all is ONENESS

Post by daramantus » Tue Dec 12, 2017 11:31 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote:
Tue Dec 12, 2017 11:21 pm
daramantus wrote:
Tue Dec 12, 2017 11:16 pm
Greta wrote:
Tue Oct 04, 2016 11:41 pm
There is a paradox. Everything is one, yet separate. Those who cannot accept paradoxes will tie themselves in metaphysical knots trying to argue for one aspect or the other.

Pragmatists claim that oneness is illusory because most parts of the universe don't communicate with each other. Romantics claim that separation is an illusion because all parts of the universe are connected, even if only with "neighbours". Each side makes correct observations but incorrect resultant assertions.

The human example suggests that, over time, reality is becoming more interconnected (at least within galaxies) as it cools.

https://books.google.com.au/books?id=Ii ... &q&f=false

I would also add that civilisations are bonding via telecommunications and the internet into something that I don't think we have a name for yet, other than "humanity" (or some epithet). Barring accident, it would seem that galaxies left alone for a long time will tend to become ever more integrated, more "one". "Oneness" in a meaningful / practical sense seems more an ideal or future possibility than a current reality.
every thing is not 'one' or 'two' or 'three' so, the number analogy for reality is ridiculous. there is no paradox. the paradox is being created by dontaskme, by his wrong premise you already gave another one which is also wrong. he is saying like if space was in us, but that's clearly wrong. since empty space exist because objects are separate from each other, distant from each other, so it's completely correct to say that we are IN space. even tho space is not a thing, objects are things which separate themselves, which we observe.
How is everything not 1, 2 or 3 if everything is composed of dimensions that manifest through the 1D line?

And what is substance but space individuating itself ad-infinitum as the golden ratio: 1+1/(1+1/(1+1/(1+1/(1+1/(1+⋯))))) ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_ratio

How is this not 1?
LOL, are you quoting me this 'myth' as a proof of anything?
https://www.goldennumber.net/golden-ratio-myth/
https://www.fastcodesign.com/3044877/th ... ggest-myth
(2:50) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fitLT-atk-g

but, even if this was true, that would still not prove anything anything here.
You sir sure like the number ONE, You hate plural, TWO, THREE............don't you? I hate to admit you're wrong.
Oneness is mythology, that's all I gotta say.

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Re: Proof that all is ONENESS

Post by Eodnhoj7 » Tue Dec 12, 2017 11:44 pm

daramantus wrote:
Tue Dec 12, 2017 11:31 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote:
Tue Dec 12, 2017 11:21 pm
daramantus wrote:
Tue Dec 12, 2017 11:16 pm


every thing is not 'one' or 'two' or 'three' so, the number analogy for reality is ridiculous. there is no paradox. the paradox is being created by dontaskme, by his wrong premise you already gave another one which is also wrong. he is saying like if space was in us, but that's clearly wrong. since empty space exist because objects are separate from each other, distant from each other, so it's completely correct to say that we are IN space. even tho space is not a thing, objects are things which separate themselves, which we observe.
How is everything not 1, 2 or 3 if everything is composed of dimensions that manifest through the 1D line?

And what is substance but space individuating itself ad-infinitum as the golden ratio: 1+1/(1+1/(1+1/(1+1/(1+1/(1+⋯))))) ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_ratio

How is this not 1?
LOL, are you quoting me this 'myth' as a proof of anything?
Expressed as a continuous fraction the golden ratio shows a process of continual individuation through 1.

https://www.goldennumber.net/golden-ratio-myth/
"My subsequent analysis, however, shows that their ideal facial features reveal a dozen golden ratios, in both horizontal and vertical dimensions of key facial markers. See image and details further below in this article."

"When this golden rectangle is placed as just described, the bottom of the supporting beam at the top of the columns is at the golden ratio of its height."

I am not even going to bother posting further examples...did you even read the article or did you just google "Golden ratio, Myth" and post the first thing you seen? I did not bother reading the below if this is all you have.


https://www.fastcodesign.com/3044877/th ... ggest-myth

but, even if this was true, that would still not prove anything anything here.
You sir sure like the number ONE, You hate plural, TWO, THREE............don't you?

All rational number is merely a result of 1 mirroring itself ad-infinitum through addition, subtraction, etc. All numbers are merely structural extensions of one. They mirror themselves ad-finitum as "1" through totality.

I hate to admit you're wrong.

I feel like I am arguing with a stupid child that wants his own way at the expense of reason. Go ahead provide some more arguments, let's see what you and your anger possess.


Oneness is mythology, that's all I gotta say.

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Re: Proof that all is ONENESS

Post by Greta » Wed Dec 13, 2017 1:31 am

daramantus wrote:
Tue Dec 12, 2017 11:16 pm
Greta wrote:
Tue Oct 04, 2016 11:41 pm
There is a paradox. Everything is one, yet separate. Those who cannot accept paradoxes will tie themselves in metaphysical knots trying to argue for one aspect or the other.

Pragmatists claim that oneness is illusory because most parts of the universe don't communicate with each other. Romantics claim that separation is an illusion because all parts of the universe are connected, even if only with "neighbours". Each side makes correct observations but incorrect resultant assertions.

The human example suggests that, over time, reality is becoming more interconnected (at least within galaxies) as it cools.
Quarks bond to form protons and neutrons, which bond to form atomic nuclei, which bond with electrons to form atoms, which bond with each other to form molecules. Atoms, ions and molecules in larger numbers bond into a considerable variety of organised matter forms - clouds of gas, liquids and solids of various sizes, from dist to planetary subsystems, to planets, stars and galaxies.

The living cell is an aggregate of atoms and molecules in a bonded structure of liquid-solid form. Cells bond to form colonies, organelles, organs and organisms. Organisms of a given species bond to form breeding groups and societies. Human organisms bond to form polities and civilisations.
https://books.google.com.au/books?id=Ii ... &q&f=false

I would also add that civilisations are bonding via telecommunications and the internet into something that I don't think we have a name for yet, other than "humanity" (or some epithet). Barring accident, it would seem that galaxies left alone for a long time will tend to become ever more integrated, more "one". "Oneness" in a meaningful / practical sense seems more an ideal or future possibility than a current reality.
every thing is not 'one' or 'two' or 'three' so, the number analogy for reality is ridiculous. a thing is ONE, two things are TWO, and from that, you see how wrong is to claim anything about any set of things using a single number, and outside these set of things other set of "things" (by the sake of simplicity calling "things"). there is no paradox. the paradox is being created by dontaskme, by his wrong premise you already gave another one which is also wrong. he is saying like if space was connected integrated with us, or some bs like that, but that's clearly wrong. since empty space exist because objects are separate from each other, distant from each other, so it's completely correct to say that we are IN space. and space is not an 'empty' "something" connected to us. it's empty nothing, even tho space is not a thing, objects are things which separate themselves, which we observe.
Did you see the part where I agreed with DAM's ideas? No? Me neither :). DAM and I had our big argument about this some time ago. We are each most familiar with each other's worldviews, but neither of us achieved much understanding of the other's mind so we leave each other alone to do out thang. Every now and then someone tires of the "it's all an illusion" line and has it out with her as I did. At present it is your turn.

Seriously, space actually does not exist, at least not in this universe (a little reminder of late forum member, Obvious Leo, who loved to press this point). Space only exists in a relative sense. For instance, you might have some "space" in your house. Of course the "empty" space is not empty, but filled with the contents of the atmosphere - air, other gases, dust, bacteria and viruses, magnetic fields and other low level radiation (including photons of light), the Earth's gravitational field, neutrinos, dark matter, etc.

What of the cosmos? Again, there is no true space - just a chaotic blend of various fields of gravity, EM energy and dark matter, like ripples in an ocean. Einstein demonstrated that space has substance (hence it can be stretched and bent), so the universe can in fact be looked at as one thing - one ocean of galaxies, stars and black holes. Instead of water connecting the entities it's a mix of various energies, forces and free subatomic waves and particles. So yes, space is logically integrated with us (and I suspect could be much more so in the future).

The notion of oneness, however, is just a universal perspective - as opposed to the perspective from the point of view of a galactic cluster, galaxy, solar system, planet, species, nation, culture, subculture, family, individual, body system, organs, microbiome, molecule, atom or, of course, a subatomic wavicle :) Which to focus on? I'm interested in a few of those levels, as probably are you, but some such as DAM are more specialised in their interests.

Clearly DAM, and others who embrace the universal/God perspective, are seeking the ultimate, skipping the intermediaries. That is the emotional approach - to simply reach blindly upwards in faith. Personally, I find the details of science more stimulating and inspiring, but each to their own.

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Re: Proof that all is ONENESS

Post by daramantus » Wed Dec 13, 2017 5:44 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote:
Tue Dec 12, 2017 11:44 pm
daramantus wrote:
Tue Dec 12, 2017 11:31 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote:
Tue Dec 12, 2017 11:21 pm


How is everything not 1, 2 or 3 if everything is composed of dimensions that manifest through the 1D line?

And what is substance but space individuating itself ad-infinitum as the golden ratio: 1+1/(1+1/(1+1/(1+1/(1+1/(1+⋯))))) ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_ratio

How is this not 1?
LOL, are you quoting me this 'myth' as a proof of anything?
Expressed as a continuous fraction the golden ratio shows a process of continual individuation through 1.

https://www.goldennumber.net/golden-ratio-myth/
"My subsequent analysis, however, shows that their ideal facial features reveal a dozen golden ratios, in both horizontal and vertical dimensions of key facial markers. See image and details further below in this article."

"When this golden rectangle is placed as just described, the bottom of the supporting beam at the top of the columns is at the golden ratio of its height."

I am not even going to bother posting further examples...did you even read the article or did you just google "Golden ratio, Myth" and post the first thing you seen? I did not bother reading the below if this is all you have.


https://www.fastcodesign.com/3044877/th ... ggest-myth

but, even if this was true, that would still not prove anything anything here.
You sir sure like the number ONE, You hate plural, TWO, THREE............don't you?

All rational number is merely a result of 1 mirroring itself ad-infinitum through addition, subtraction, etc. All numbers are merely structural extensions of one. They mirror themselves ad-finitum as "1" through totality.

I hate to admit you're wrong.

I feel like I am arguing with a stupid child that wants his own way at the expense of reason. Go ahead provide some more arguments, let's see what you and your anger possess.


Oneness is mythology, that's all I gotta say.
numbers are not structural extensions of anything. you're lost :lol:
"totality". there is no "totality" of anything to summarize, to reduct anything to form a calculus of "totality", and in any place, An example, If I born in a room and I never looked outside of my room, and all the knowledge I have is about this room, I can make a theory of the totality of my room and make up a stupid theory of the 1 , 2 , 3 dimensions, invent some stupid calculus and then claim the totality of objects in my room is blah blah........ what about the outside of my room????? I can't know it, I don't know anything about it. , can't you see the obvious? There can't be any unified, or totality, or anything like "oneness".............really, it's in front of your nose and if you can reflect for 10 minutes for yourself your own theory, you will realize you are theorizing a bullshit. :lol: :lol:
https://goldenratiomyth.weebly.com/the-human-body.html

No mate, if the only "proof" of oneness you have is the golden ratio MYTH then again, you're lost. 1 mirroring what? ad finitum, mirroring 1 , 2..... blah blah... eh , I didnt even read ur theory cuz ur not even making sense, and this isn't applicable to reality, so discarded.
yes I did search 'golden ratio criticism', because I know this is a myth since I first heard about it in a new age forum in 2012, then I researched about it and voilá, new age crap, refuted and outdated..

If you're not dontaskme, you have the same separation complexity that he has, but yours is "1" complexity

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Re: Proof that all is ONENESS

Post by Dontaskme » Wed Dec 13, 2017 12:55 pm

Daramantus....I could say the same about you too, in that you can’t accept reality.

We’re just seeing reality differently that’s all.

I can’t change the way I see it ...it’s how this one here sees it..so all I’m doing is sharing a view. Doesn’t mean it’s wrong, because I could say the same about your view.


Daramantus is not the You in question here, neither is dontasme...there is no separate you in existence....there is only oneness looking at itself knowing itself through the reflection of other appearing outside you...

...the reflection is not the knower or the seer.....it is the known and the seen, aka knowledge....aka illusory since we all understand that there is nothing in the mirror but a reflection ...a reflection is the only way I can exist.

Do you not see that?

The You exists before it is known or seen.....it is the ONE seeing itself in the mirror, the reflection is not the seer.

The You only knows itself when it becomes aware of it’s s own reflection. The You IS...but it only knows it is as a reflection ...as the unseen becomes seen, the unknown becomes known.

Daramantus doesn’t see or know, if he did he would be able to know he was being born, he would see himself being born, he would know what it is like to be dead..

Do you not see how silly that is...

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Re: Proof that all is ONENESS

Post by Dontaskme » Wed Dec 13, 2017 2:27 pm

Daramantus...the You is ...only in relation to what you reflect.

Can a reflection separate itself from its reflector , namely a mirror? ... no it can’t ...both the mirror and the reflection are One




That is how reality works.


You cannot prove anything exists outside of yourself separate from you, simply because everything appearing to be separate from you can only exist because you exist, the external cannot be outside separate from you, it is YOU...for without YOU nothing would exist.

You cannot prove a tree or any object or person exists separate from you...because these objects are in the same reality as you. The idea a tree is separate from you is the illusion because the tree needs you to exist before it can exist.
It’s impossible that the tree is separate from you ....to say it is, you would have to be the tree ... but you cannot be a tree or any other object, you can only be the awareness knowledge of such objects...the you can never recognise itself as an object, the you can only be the object less knower /seer of the object inseparable from that knowledge, in other words a mental construction.

There is no proof that other human beings exist outside of you separate from you....to prove they do you would have to be them, and that is impossible..those people exist for you only because you do...if you didn’t exist then nothing else would.
And that is the only You there is....the you in you is the same you in me....for more information on that you need to study this oneness concept more deeply... until it is seen clearly to be the truth of all truths...which is there is no truth.
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Re: Proof that all is ONENESS

Post by Dontaskme » Wed Dec 13, 2017 2:44 pm

Continuing on...you might then say, well when I die, the world continues without me....but this is only assumed because of the believe in a separate me.

If this separate me exists, and is the knower and the seer, it would know it has died, and it would know that life was still continuing while this me was dead....now that is impossible.

The truth is no separate me was ever born or can die....the belief there is a me is due to the mis-identification between the mirror and its reflection.

It is believing that the reflection is the one alive, not the mirror.

There is only the mirror..aka light of course, reflecting itself everywhere and nowhere, now here.

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Re: Proof that all is ONENESS

Post by Dontaskme » Wed Dec 13, 2017 2:53 pm

Then how is this known you might say.

It’s known because there is no one to deny that life does not exist, nothingness cannot be an experience, only aliveness can be experienced ..it is the experiencing.


I do not know what or who or why there is experiencing ....but I do know there is ...only because I cannot experience nothingness. I cannot experience not being. I am never not here.

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Re: Proof that all is ONENESS

Post by Eodnhoj7 » Wed Dec 13, 2017 6:22 pm

daramantus wrote:
Wed Dec 13, 2017 5:44 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote:
Tue Dec 12, 2017 11:44 pm
daramantus wrote:
Tue Dec 12, 2017 11:31 pm


LOL, are you quoting me this 'myth' as a proof of anything?
Expressed as a continuous fraction the golden ratio shows a process of continual individuation through 1.

https://www.goldennumber.net/golden-ratio-myth/
"My subsequent analysis, however, shows that their ideal facial features reveal a dozen golden ratios, in both horizontal and vertical dimensions of key facial markers. See image and details further below in this article."

"When this golden rectangle is placed as just described, the bottom of the supporting beam at the top of the columns is at the golden ratio of its height."

I am not even going to bother posting further examples...did you even read the article or did you just google "Golden ratio, Myth" and post the first thing you seen? I did not bother reading the below if this is all you have.


https://www.fastcodesign.com/3044877/th ... ggest-myth

but, even if this was true, that would still not prove anything anything here.
You sir sure like the number ONE, You hate plural, TWO, THREE............don't you?

All rational number is merely a result of 1 mirroring itself ad-infinitum through addition, subtraction, etc. All numbers are merely structural extensions of one. They mirror themselves ad-finitum as "1" through totality.

I hate to admit you're wrong.

I feel like I am arguing with a stupid child that wants his own way at the expense of reason. Go ahead provide some more arguments, let's see what you and your anger possess.


Oneness is mythology, that's all I gotta say.
numbers are not structural extensions of anything. you're lost :lol:
They are not structural extensions of a rational framework that measures?


"totality". there is no "totality" of anything to summarize, to reduct anything to form a calculus of "totality", and in any place, An example, If I born in a room and I never looked outside of my room, and all the knowledge I have is about this room, I can make a theory of the totality of my room and make up a stupid theory of the 1 , 2 , 3 dimensions, invent some stupid calculus and then claim the totality of objects in my room is blah blah........ what about the outside of my room????? I can't know it, I don't know anything about it. , can't you see the obvious?
Actually if the only way to understand the outside world, in a room you never left, was through your room, then by default you could see that "room" is a constant and that there are other "rooms". We know this to be actually true, but it gives evidence that certain frameworks continually structure themselves across time and space. So we can observe certain constants under the assumption of a framework theory arguing other frameworks are possible and reflect the original.

There can't be any unified, or totality, or anything like "oneness".............really, it's in front of your nose and if you can reflect for 10 minutes for yourself your own theory, you will realize you are theorizing a bullshit. :lol: :lol:
Then is everything is strictly multiple, or divided in nature, how can their be division without observing "units" as 1?
https://goldenratiomyth.weebly.com/the-human-body.html

No mate, if the only "proof" of oneness you have is the golden ratio MYTH then again, you're lost.
Actually that is a proof, not the proof. The only proof of 1 is 1, and in observe 1 we observe dimensions of 1.

1 mirroring what? ad finitum, mirroring 1 , 2..... blah blah... eh , I didnt even read ur theory cuz ur not even making sense, and this isn't applicable to reality, so discarded.


yes I did search 'golden ratio criticism', because I know this is a myth since I first heard about it in a new age forum in 2012, then I researched about it and voilá, new age crap, refuted and outdated..
The golden ratio "myth" you provided only proved how common the golden ratio is. Alongside the continuous fraction element, we can observed the reality of 1 as an individuating unit within reality.

If you're not dontaskme, you have the same separation complexity that he has, but yours is "1" complexity
How can their be no "1", if everything is seperated through "1"?

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Re: Proof that all is ONENESS

Post by daramantus » Tue Dec 19, 2017 7:02 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote:
Wed Dec 13, 2017 6:22 pm
daramantus wrote:
Wed Dec 13, 2017 5:44 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote:
Tue Dec 12, 2017 11:44 pm
numbers are not structural extensions of anything. you're lost :lol:
They are not structural extensions of a rational framework that measures?


"totality". there is no "totality" of anything to summarize, to reduct anything to form a calculus of "totality", and in any place, An example, If I born in a room and I never looked outside of my room, and all the knowledge I have is about this room, I can make a theory of the totality of my room and make up a stupid theory of the 1 , 2 , 3 dimensions, invent some stupid calculus and then claim the totality of objects in my room is blah blah........ what about the outside of my room????? I can't know it, I don't know anything about it. , can't you see the obvious?
Actually if the only way to understand the outside world, in a room you never left, was through your room, then by default you could see that "room" is a constant and that there are other "rooms". We know this to be actually true, but it gives evidence that certain frameworks continually structure themselves across time and space. So we can observe certain constants under the assumption of a framework theory arguing other frameworks are possible and reflect the original.

There can't be any unified, or totality, or anything like "oneness".............really, it's in front of your nose and if you can reflect for 10 minutes for yourself your own theory, you will realize you are theorizing a bullshit. :lol: :lol:
Then is everything is strictly multiple, or divided in nature, how can their be division without observing "units" as 1?
https://goldenratiomyth.weebly.com/the-human-body.html

No mate, if the only "proof" of oneness you have is the golden ratio MYTH then again, you're lost.
Actually that is a proof, not the proof. The only proof of 1 is 1, and in observe 1 we observe dimensions of 1.

1 mirroring what? ad finitum, mirroring 1 , 2..... blah blah... eh , I didnt even read ur theory cuz ur not even making sense, and this isn't applicable to reality, so discarded.


yes I did search 'golden ratio criticism', because I know this is a myth since I first heard about it in a new age forum in 2012, then I researched about it and voilá, new age crap, refuted and outdated..
The golden ratio "myth" you provided only proved how common the golden ratio is. Alongside the continuous fraction element, we can observed the reality of 1 as an individuating unit within reality.

If you're not dontaskme, you have the same separation complexity that he has, but yours is "1" complexity
How can their be no "1", if everything is seperated through "1"?
There is obviously 1, 2, 3, 4.......... There are many numbers to describe many objects, and etc.........
Everything is not separate because of numbers, but because of distance. There is nothing unified, and there never was, there is no singularity, and nothing is connected.
Your theory doesn't even make sense.
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Re: Proof that all is ONENESS

Post by daramantus » Tue Dec 19, 2017 7:03 am

Dontaskme wrote:
Wed Dec 13, 2017 2:53 pm
Then how is this known you might say.

It’s known because there is no one to deny that life does not exist, nothingness cannot be an experience, only aliveness can be experienced ..it is the experiencing.


I do not know what or who or why there is experiencing ....but I do know there is ...only because I cannot experience nothingness. I cannot experience not being. I am never not here.

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You know because you're there knowing, and your knowing differs from mine. You experience nothingness everyday, move from your bed to the kitchen, you're moving through nothingness (space). You kinda experience it. Btw, You are not never where? You're never not in your house? Like ur utterly alone? No friends to go out? :lol: :lol: :lol:
IF you die tomorrow, you're not in your house anymore, let alone in the planet :lol:

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Re: Proof that all is ONENESS

Post by daramantus » Tue Dec 19, 2017 7:16 am

Dontaskme wrote:
Wed Dec 13, 2017 2:44 pm
Continuing on...you might then say, well when I die, the world continues without me....but this is only assumed because of the believe in a separate me.
We don't believe anything, we know you exist. what do you mean by "separate", why add a concept that doesn't even need to be added?
You are Dontaskme, the work 'me' and 'you' are used for means of communication. If you die tomorrow you're gone, yet the world isnt. Why is it so hard to accept this fucking obvious fact? Jesus Christ
Dontaskme wrote:
Wed Dec 13, 2017 2:44 pm
If this separate me exists, and is the knower and the seer, it would know it has died, and it would know that life was still continuing while this me was dead....
What do you mean by separate you? you that is isolated from everyone else? if so, then, you are separate and you are you. No shit. You are not connected to anyone else, and i'm not connected to you. If you see a moon, it's because the light coming from the moon reflected to your retina, therefore you're able to see the moon, the word 'seer' is just a concept we use, you see the moon, 'seer' is added because you see the moon, if there is a blind person on your side, I would call you the seer of the moon, because you can see the moon, the blind person can't.
yes, if I 'me' die tomorrow, the world, things will still be functioning because of processes behind, everyone else will do what they were doing a day before, and etc.... no shit, unless there is a fucking atomic bomb to explode the planet and kill everyone and no life will exist anymore in the universe of objects and shit.......
Dontaskme wrote:
Wed Dec 13, 2017 2:44 pm
The ̶t̶r̶u̶t̶h̶ ̶ is no ̶s̶e̶p̶a̶r̶a̶t̶e̶ ̶ me was ever born or can die
You were born and you can die Dontaskme, just Dont ask yourself, Ask your MOTHER
Dontaskme wrote:
Wed Dec 13, 2017 2:44 pm
....the belief there is a me is due to the mis-identification between the mirror and its reflection.
break a mirror,do not look at yourself in the mirror for a month, you still see the objects around you and outside of you, from your own personal inside self, you VS objects.
Dontaskme wrote:
Wed Dec 13, 2017 2:44 pm
It is believing that the reflection is the one alive, not the mirror.
Even if you don't see your own reflection in the mirror anymore, you would still be the one who is alive, just not lookin in the mirror, NO SHIT!
Dontaskme wrote:
Wed Dec 13, 2017 2:44 pm
There is only the mirror..aka light of course
No, if you break the mirror, there is no mirror anymore, in any of your room. Light is coming from the bulb, not from the mirror.
Dontaskme wrote:
Wed Dec 13, 2017 2:44 pm
, reflecting itself everywhere and nowhere, now here.
light only reflects what is within its reach, if there is a lamp in your bathroom, and you close the door, it will reflect only what is in the bathroom, the rest of your house, the rest of the world, in every place out there and out there out there, will have its own source of light. Somewhere. That's not only a fact, it isn't debatable. You're the one who is using your computer to distort concepts, cuz you're afraid that you are the one who is alive and there is no unborn ,unaffected, omnisciente, eternal, selves are all one from the real "self" "you", onesness, blah blah, we cant die cuz we are not the one who is alive, the one who is limited, the one who is aware blah nonsense.

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