Proof that all is ONENESS

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Re: Proof that all is ONENESS

Post by daramantus » Sat Dec 23, 2017 10:07 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2017 10:01 pm
daramantus wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2017 9:50 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2017 9:07 pm

Infinity is proof, because if a proof is not infinite (temporal) one day it will be true and another day false. If you are arguing everything is temporal in nature, does that mean your "knowledge" will pass with time?

Of course, if something is true, then it's objectively true, but that doesn't mean you need to add the concept of "infinity" to it.
So the laws of thermodynamics will not last forever?


And yes, my knowledge changes, you know, we can have a different knowledge and a wrong knowing about objective truths. Everything is temporal in nature, even the sunsets do not land the same way. even the sun today, is not the same sun from yesterday, even the sun has changed, what was before, is no longer truth, and yes the Earth is rotating, it's a fact, is it infinitely rotating?
So the sun is not the sun?

No, the Earth could be destroyed , we are all susceptible and even prone to it . Did you know that even the laws of physics can change depending where you are in?

Then how are they laws and not theories? If so, then you have no objective proof as what is true one day is not true the next. Your concept for proof is ever changing, yet you require it as a constant.

I have yet to find a immutable being, a infinity powerful being, a immutable unaffected unborn being beyond space and time beyond all concepts.
If change is continual, does that make it an eternal law?
It isn't continual, it either changes or it doesn't, Nope, I wouldn't call it any "law", let alone "eternal" , change is simply "something substituted for something else", making either an essential difference often amounting to a loss of original identity or a substitution of one thing for another.. If there was nothing else to be substitutied for, then change wouldn't exist. Therefore, I don't know why the need to add "law" "eternal" "infinity" to these concepts.

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Re: Proof that all is ONENESS

Post by Dontaskme » Tue Dec 26, 2017 5:50 pm

Daramantus

And what is inside of you, only you know.
That’s the proof right there, no one can know another persons conscious experience...they can only know their own.
They can never prove another persons existence, it’s an assumption that other people exist only because you exist...but it is you who are creating those others. And this works for everyone of us...we are artificially creating others... there is no way to prove another consciousness outside your own...there is only your own conscious creation, proof that oneness is the only consciousness creating multiple versions of itself ...

Do you not understand that?


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Even the idea that you exist is an assumption ..you create yourself, but have no idea how you are able to do that, you have no idea of your origin, or what happens after death...and the reason is logically simple, it’s because you are an idea, you don’t have consciousness ...you ARE consciousness....which is an impenetrable mystery even to itself.

It’s impenetrable because that’s what oneness is...that’s what it means.

It’s THIS...and ONLY THIS

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Re: Proof that all is ONENESS

Post by Eodnhoj7 » Tue Dec 26, 2017 10:46 pm

daramantus wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2017 10:07 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2017 10:01 pm
daramantus wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2017 9:50 pm



Of course, if something is true, then it's objectively true, but that doesn't mean you need to add the concept of "infinity" to it.
So the laws of thermodynamics will not last forever?


And yes, my knowledge changes, you know, we can have a different knowledge and a wrong knowing about objective truths. Everything is temporal in nature, even the sunsets do not land the same way. even the sun today, is not the same sun from yesterday, even the sun has changed, what was before, is no longer truth, and yes the Earth is rotating, it's a fact, is it infinitely rotating?
So the sun is not the sun?

No, the Earth could be destroyed , we are all susceptible and even prone to it . Did you know that even the laws of physics can change depending where you are in?

Then how are they laws and not theories? If so, then you have no objective proof as what is true one day is not true the next. Your concept for proof is ever changing, yet you require it as a constant.

I have yet to find a immutable being, a infinity powerful being, a immutable unaffected unborn being beyond space and time beyond all concepts.
If change is continual, does that make it an eternal law?
It isn't continual, it either changes or it doesn't, Nope, I wouldn't call it any "law", let alone "eternal" , change is simply "something substituted for something else", making either an essential difference often amounting to a loss of original identity or a substitution of one thing for another.. If there was nothing else to be substitutied for, then change wouldn't exist. Therefore, I don't know why the need to add "law" "eternal" "infinity" to these concepts.
So change does operate according to an eternal law as "something substituted for something else"? Or does that change too?

If change exists if and only if there is something to be "substituted", does that mean the substitute is a dimension itself? In simpler terms, the substituted "reality", we will call it, exists if and only if there is a space for it to inhibit. In a seperate respect the substitute also contains space, much in the same way as a vessel. In these respects the substitute maintains itself through both inhabiting and containing a dimension. Do these dimensions change to? Is Dimensionality a constant?

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Re: Proof that all is ONENESS

Post by Londoner » Wed Dec 27, 2017 11:07 am

Dontaskme wrote:
Tue Dec 26, 2017 5:50 pm
That’s the proof right there, no one can know another persons conscious experience...they can only know their own.
They can never prove another persons existence, it’s an assumption that other people exist only because you exist...but it is you who are creating those others. And this works for everyone of us...we are artificially creating others... there is no way to prove another consciousness outside your own...there is only your own conscious creation, proof that oneness is the only consciousness creating multiple versions of itself ...
If we can't know, then we can't know, if we can't prove something we can't prove it. I do not see how not knowing something becomes proof of something.

We work on the assumption that other people have conscious experiences because that assumption is useful, it enables us to predict how they will behave. Or, to be more accurate, it accounts for our failures to predict how they will behave. You say 'no one can know another persons conscious experience', which is true. We cannot know another persons consciousness in the way we know a material object, such that other people become entirely predictable. So what we infer about other people, when we say 'they are conscious', is that there is something hidden from us.

If their consciousness was created by my own, why would anything be hidden?
Even the idea that you exist is an assumption ..you create yourself, but have no idea how you are able to do that, you have no idea of your origin, or what happens after death...and the reason is logically simple, it’s because you are an idea, you don’t have consciousness ...you ARE consciousness....which is an impenetrable mystery even to itself.

It’s impenetrable because that’s what oneness is...that’s what it means.

It’s THIS...and ONLY THIS
You say 'you create yourself', which I agree with, but only in the sense of giving meaning to phrases like 'you exist' . The 'you' always means something; 'you - your body', or 'you- this thought' or 'you - this citizen'. In all these cases I certainly do have an idea of my origin; I know where babies come from, I know about brains, etc. There is only a mystery if we try to understand 'exist' on its own, as a pure abstraction, but that mystery arises simply from a misuse of language.

I think the same thing is true of 'consciousness'. We don't just 'have' consciousness; we are always conscious of something. It may be a physical thing (assuming there are physical things), or it could be just an idea, but we stand in relationship to it. You are conscious of this post, which is to say you are aware of it as something that is not-you. As with 'exist', 'consciousness' only becomes a mystery if we treat it as if it was a thing in itself.

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Re: Proof that all is ONENESS

Post by Dontaskme » Fri Dec 29, 2017 1:28 pm

Londoner wrote:
Wed Dec 27, 2017 11:07 am


If we can't know, then we can't know, if we can't prove something we can't prove it. I do not see how not knowing something becomes proof of something.
Proof is just a figure of speech within the dream story of ''I exist'' where there are talking characters communicating with each other.

In reality, there is no one to prove anything about any thing or everything since that would require a prover which is an imagined idea.

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It does appear that any ''thing'' does seem to arise within the consciousness / awareness of that ''thing''.. and these two apparent things, the awareness and the thing itself appear to be separate, but that is the illusion, the thing cannot be separate from that which is aware-ing that thing into existence.

The awareness already IS without doubt or error...it has to be for any thing ELSE to be...THE ELSE is never separated from that which has sourced it into existence.

The awareness of any ''thing'' cannot be that ''thing'' it is aware of ..neither can it recognise itself as that ''thing''...it can only be aware of the ''thing''....the awareness is self-evident and is self-proving ...no ''other'' can prove that because it is THAT...

A ''thing'' cannot be known by the ''thing'' itself, because that which is a ''known thing'' is known by that which is unknowable. That which is known cannot know anything, known things are within the eternal unknown dreamer..appearing as the known....therefore illusory images of the imageless.

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You may probably already know this L..but just repeating for the sake of other readers.

The sense of 'self' has only got questions, because questions can only arise where there is a sense of 'separate self'

This will go on indefinitely since there are no answers, if there were answers, we'd all be in agreement with each other.

The reality is, there are no answers because there is no questioneer, except as imagined.

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Re: Proof that all is ONENESS

Post by Atla » Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:19 pm

Dontaskme wrote:
Tue Oct 04, 2016 7:06 am
We are literally made out of the space we're sitting in.

Matter is space. Space is matter.

We are not in space, we are space.

We cannot get outside of space. There is only space.

There is no inside of you.

There is no outside of you.

There is only you.

Inside of you is you. Outside of you is you.

You can't find you anywhere. You are everywhere.

You are what you are looking for.

What's looked for is what's looking.

Everywhere you go there you are.

There is nowhere to go.

Nowhere is always here. There is nowhere else.

Where does space begin, where does space end.

Is space in matter or is matter in space. Neither, they are ONE and the same.

Space doesn't change. Matter changes.

Space has no shape. Matter is shape.

Space has no colour. Matter is colour.

Space has no taste. Matter is taste.

Space has no feeling. Matter is feeling.

Space as no odour. Matter is odour.

Space doesn't age. Matter ages.

Space is infinite. Matter is finite.

Matter appears in space(is born) and disappears in space(die) The space in which birth and death happen doesn't age,move, change, it's unborn and cannot die.

Matter is an illusion. Space is real.

Real could never be known, without knowing illusion.

Reality is both real and illusory, it's a real illusion.


We are emptiness and fullness at the same time.

We are nothing and everything.

Space can't be seen without seeing matter.

Matter can't be seen without seeing space.


No space - no matter.

No matter - no space.

Every thing is ONE

One = Zero

Zero = One

Life is binary.

Life is a simulation.


Everything is the same as Nothing. The only difference is in how they appear.

Appearances define space.

Space defines appearances.

Space the never ending place where endless dreams appear and disappear.

To be continued ....
Funny thing is, even science must acknowledge now that oneness is at least partially true in our universe. Because quantum entanglement correlations work instantaneously, regardless of distance.

Some went further and speculated that maybe because of the Big Bang (if there was one), everything might necessarily be entangled with everything else in the universe. But this is just speculation.

What did you mean by life is binary / a simulation? Did you mean that life appears to be binary, when we don't realize that space and matter too are nondual?

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Re: Proof that all is ONENESS

Post by Dontaskme » Wed Jan 24, 2018 10:50 am

Atla wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:19 pm

Funny thing is, even science must acknowledge now that oneness is at least partially true in our universe. Because quantum entanglement correlations work instantaneously, regardless of distance.
Science already has acknowledged it, it's all over youtube. The thing is if even one teeny tiny blade of grass was missing the whole universe would collapse, that's how tightly interconnected it is.
Atla wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:19 pm
Some went further and speculated that maybe because of the Big Bang (if there was one), everything might necessarily be entangled with everything else in the universe. But this is just speculation.
The big bang in my vision is like the birth of a child or any creature except on a larger scale obviously. On the micro scale a newly conceived human being goes through the process of expansion from micro to macro to micro again, meaning it starts off as a minute particle or atom expanding into the fully grown human made up of multiple particles / atoms, and at the same time is slowly degenerating and dispersing those particles until the mass disappears from vision, not that anything can disappear, it's just that they are too small to be seen, but that doesn't mean they are not here. Another example being a big pool of water when it evaporates due to heat, the water still exists, it's just that it's not invisible any more. So that's what happens during a big bang. It's like everything that ever is is nested inside within it's own self. Like dreams within dreams within dreams as Edgar Allan Poe was quoted as saying. The universe is working as a self sustaining feedback loop within itself on both the micro and macro level simultaneously. This could never be put into words, it's only a mystical vision, only the minds imaginary eye can invent itself...therefore, what ever the imagination dreams, is only ever a fictional story.

Atla wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:19 pm
What did you mean by life is binary / a simulation? Did you mean that life appears to be binary, when we don't realize that space and matter too are nondual?
Life does not reveal it's secrets because there is no one running it, no thing creating it, it's a runaway train with no knowable beginning nor end. There is only this energetic imagination of what it is, as told in the narrative of language. If there was never such a thing as language, no story would ever unfold in this unknowable what is, therefore, the stories that do apparently arise can only ever be fictional, aka reality is only ever a simulation of the mind, it's not real, it only appears real as a story. No person has ever seen a mind, and in fact no person has ever been seen, a person is just a known made up concept of no knowable source, sounds a bit fuzzy, but this is what non-duality is all about.

Binary means zero and one. Zero and One are complimentary opposites they appear different but are in actuality the same no/ thing. In other words one aka zero appears as itself to itself as two, but it's not two, because any number higher that 1 is just more of that 1 ..therefore all numbers above 1 depict separation which is imagined illusion, for there is only source...and source is only ever 1 with itself.
1 is really zero, it is no thing being every thing.

Sorry if this make no sense, but it makes sense to me, and if it doesn't make sense to you, take what is of value and reject the rest, we each have the capacity to imagine ..please remember that you are a unique expression of oneness, oneness expressing itself through the mind brain body mechanism is as unique and different as is a grain of sand.

This image is a good example of what I trying to tell you...https://i.pinimg.com/736x/56/1a/78/561a ... quotes.jpg

In other words, it really is okay to be yourself, because your world the way you see your world is unique to you only, because only you are creating it with your imagination, and therefore, it is of no body else's business.

We are all unique and then society makes us stupid by squeezing what is the most free and creative expansive thing ever to exist into tight little boxes where we cannot breathe. We are made to constantly feel small, fearing what others think about us without ever realising that there is no one behind those eyes we believe are watching and judging us...we do this until we stop and realise what's really happening, what's really going on, and that is known as awakening to the dream of separation.


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Re: Proof that all is ONENESS

Post by Atla » Wed Jan 24, 2018 12:26 pm

Dontaskme wrote:
Wed Jan 24, 2018 10:50 am
Science already has acknowledged it, it's all over youtube. The thing is if even one teeny tiny blade of grass was missing the whole universe would collapse, that's how tightly interconnected it is.
I agree, in my opinion, even if even one particle was slightly misplaced or missing, the universe would be defective. But this is metaphysics, it's way beyond what can be proven or disproven today (or ever, perhaps), so I don't think it can really be acknowledged in science.
The big bang in my vision is like the birth of a child or any creature except on a larger scale obviously. On the micro scale a newly conceived human being goes through the process of expansion from micro to macro to micro again, meaning it starts off as a minute particle or atom expanding into the fully grown human made up of multiple particles / atoms, and at the same time is slowly degenerating and dispersing those particles until the mass disappears from vision, not that anything can disappear, it's just that they are too small to be seen, but that doesn't mean they are not here. Another example being a big pool of water when it evaporates due to heat, the water still exists, it's just that it's not invisible any more. So that's what happens during a big bang. It's like everything that ever is is nested inside within it's own self. Like dreams within dreams within dreams as Edgar Allan Poe was quoted as saying. The universe is working as a self sustaining feedback loop within itself on both the micro and macro level simultaneously. This could never be put into words, it's only a mystical vision, only the minds imaginary eye can invent itself...therefore, what ever the imagination dreams, is only ever a fictional story.
Yeah loops in loops, and maybe it even goes on, maybe the universe/something about the universe, is yet a part of an even greater loop.

That both human understanding and the universe are looplike, may not just be a coincidence. It seems to come really handy that we are well-equipped for thinking about the world.
Life does not reveal it's secrets because there is no one running it, no thing creating it, it's a runaway train with no knowable beginning nor end. There is only this energetic imagination of what it is, as told in the narrative of language. If there was never such a thing as language, no story would ever unfold in this unknowable what is, therefore, the stories that do apparently arise can only ever be fictional, aka reality is only ever a simulation of the mind, it's not real, it only appears real as a story. No person has ever seen a mind, and in fact no person has ever been seen, a person is just a known made up concept of no knowable source, sounds a bit fuzzy, but this is what non-duality is all about.
Well.. this is where I think that some have perverted nondualism too much, with all that emptiness nonsense. Sure, the "content" of the story is illusory, it is just the "simulation" of reality, a narrative that is running in your head. But that doesn't mean that the simulation itself doesn't exist. The simulation/story/narrative, or however we want to call it, is an actual happening in the head.

So the idea that no person exists, is just a horrible perversion of nondualism. Sure the person is illusory and our "true nature" is: being identical and one and the same with reality itself, we are it / tat tvam asi. BUT the "individual person" is also something in the head, it's psychological, it's neuroscientific and so on, and pretty much necessary for everyday life.

Consider this:

First mountains are mountains; then mountains are not mountains, they are / aren't whatever the heck; and finally mountains are mountains again.

Well the same should go for the individual self, once we've understood nondualism, we can finally return to being "this guy here".

Many nondualists seem to explain the individual self away as much as possible, which is in my opinion the main reason why most people in the West find nondualism rather repulsive. Because once you get into that state of mind, how the hell are you supposed to function in society.

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Re: Proof that all is ONENESS

Post by Dontaskme » Wed Jan 24, 2018 7:02 pm

Atla wrote:
Wed Jan 24, 2018 12:26 pm

Well.. this is where I think that some have perverted nondualism too much, with all that emptiness nonsense. Sure, the "content" of the story is illusory, it is just the "simulation" of reality, a narrative that is running in your head. But that doesn't mean that the simulation itself doesn't exist. The simulation/story/narrative, or however we want to call it, is an actual happening in the head.
Lets be clear here, at no point have I ever suggested the world does not exist, it does, it is what it is, but the assumed ''separate enity'' only sees the world not as it actually is..but how that ''separate entity'' is according to their world view and conditioning. Non-duality does not deny the external world. It's just saying that no one is living it, and that it's just living itself.
Atla wrote:
Wed Jan 24, 2018 12:26 pm
So the idea that no person exists, is just a horrible perversion of nondualism. Sure the person is illusory and our "true nature" is: being identical and one and the same with reality itself, we are it / tat tvam asi. BUT the "individual person" is also something in the head, it's psychological, it's neuroscientific and so on, and pretty much necessary for everyday life.
Yes, it's quite shocking to realise the person is just a conceptual idea and that their real identity is not-a-thing...most would run away in fear of that, while others embrace it and are quite relieved to hear it.
Atla wrote:
Wed Jan 24, 2018 12:26 pm
Consider this:

First mountains are mountains; then mountains are not mountains, they are / aren't whatever the heck; and finally mountains are mountains again.

Well the same should go for the individual self, once we've understood nondualism, we can finally return to being "this guy here".
I agree, when we realise what is really going on, life can seem so much sweeter actually. We become fearless so to speak.
Atla wrote:
Wed Jan 24, 2018 12:26 pm
Many nondualists seem to explain the individual self away as much as possible, which is in my opinion the main reason why most people in the West find nondualism rather repulsive. Because once you get into that state of mind, how the hell are you supposed to function in society.
I agree, the most hardest part about awakening is having to function in society, it's really hard dealing with all the different egos, and knowing there is no one being that ego, it like we have to pretend to be someone just so we fit in ... sometimes, I wish I'd never awakened to the dream of separation because of how hard it is to live a normal life, once we awaken, we simply never return to the old way of being, we find that old self repulsive, it's so weird.. it's quite a lonely place to be as well because no one else seems to be able to fully understand us any more, it's very isolating, and I am beginning to believe that we're not really meant to wake up, but there are always those that do slip through the net of the world of illusions and figure out what's really going on...but it's like a death for that person, it can be very painful, and not for the faint of heart that's for sure.


Nice talking to you bye the way...it's nice to get feedback from another fellow awaken one.

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Re: Proof that all is ONENESS

Post by Atla » Wed Jan 24, 2018 7:25 pm

Dontaskme wrote:
Wed Jan 24, 2018 7:02 pm
Atla wrote:
Wed Jan 24, 2018 12:26 pm

Well.. this is where I think that some have perverted nondualism too much, with all that emptiness nonsense. Sure, the "content" of the story is illusory, it is just the "simulation" of reality, a narrative that is running in your head. But that doesn't mean that the simulation itself doesn't exist. The simulation/story/narrative, or however we want to call it, is an actual happening in the head.
Lets be clear here, at no point have I ever suggested the world does not exist, it does, it is what it is, but the assumed ''separate enity'' only sees the world not as it actually is..but how that ''separate entity'' is according to their world view and conditioning. Non-duality does not deny the external world. It's just saying that no one is living it, and that it's just living itself.
Atla wrote:
Wed Jan 24, 2018 12:26 pm
So the idea that no person exists, is just a horrible perversion of nondualism. Sure the person is illusory and our "true nature" is: being identical and one and the same with reality itself, we are it / tat tvam asi. BUT the "individual person" is also something in the head, it's psychological, it's neuroscientific and so on, and pretty much necessary for everyday life.
Yes, it's quite shocking to realise the person is just a conceptual idea and that their real identity is not-a-thing...most would run away in fear of that, while others embrace it and are quite relieved to hear it.
Atla wrote:
Wed Jan 24, 2018 12:26 pm
Consider this:

First mountains are mountains; then mountains are not mountains, they are / aren't whatever the heck; and finally mountains are mountains again.

Well the same should go for the individual self, once we've understood nondualism, we can finally return to being "this guy here".
I agree, when we realise what is really going on, life can seem so much sweeter actually. We become fearless so to speak.
Atla wrote:
Wed Jan 24, 2018 12:26 pm
Many nondualists seem to explain the individual self away as much as possible, which is in my opinion the main reason why most people in the West find nondualism rather repulsive. Because once you get into that state of mind, how the hell are you supposed to function in society.
I agree, the most hardest part about awakening is having to function in society, it's really hard dealing with all the different egos, and knowing there is no one being that ego, it like we have to pretend to be someone just so we fit in ... sometimes, I wish I'd never awakened to the dream of separation because of how hard it is to live a normal life, once we awaken, we simply never return to the old way of being, we find that old self repulsive, it's so weird.. it's quite a lonely place to be as well because no one else seems to be able to fully understand us any more, it's very isolating, and I am beginning to believe that we're not really meant to wake up, but there are always those that do slip through the net of the world of illusions and figure out what's really going on...but it's like a death for that person, it can be very painful, and not for the faint of heart that's for sure.


Nice talking to you bye the way...it's nice to get feedback from another fellow awaken one.
I meant that I don't find the old self particularly repulsive. Yes the ego is an unnatural anomaly, but then awakening is like bringing this unnatural anomaly to the next level.

What I really find repulsive is that after some people awaken, they try to throw out what is left of the ego completely. I mean what good does that do? Sure it's all illusory, but so is everything else, so why not just keep some of the ego and buy into at again. Isn't that the best for everyday life? :) While also knowing deep down that this is sort of just roleplaying.

I see a person as far more than just a conceptual idea, even after awakening. All these things that I personally "am", really are in a way "happening" in my head. You can even see that stuff on an MRI scan for example.

So in my opinion, to make the West accept nondualism, this part about throwing out the individual self Buddhist-style needs some serious tweaking.

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Re: Proof that all is ONENESS

Post by Dontaskme » Wed Jan 24, 2018 8:01 pm

Atla wrote:
Wed Jan 24, 2018 7:25 pm
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I agree with absolutely everything you've said. And yes, some take this to the extreme, to the point of abandon from mainstream life as we know it. I haven't done that myself though, I have not yet retreated to the hills, but are sometimes tempted. I still enjoy life to the full as much as I can.
Are you from the west, or the east if you don't mind me asking, you do not have to reply.

PS..it's actually quite dangerous knowledge, one could get beaten to a pulp telling another person they do not exist in the way they think they do. Best to keep the mouth shut. You have made me more aware of that, so thanks.

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Re: Proof that all is ONENESS

Post by Atla » Wed Jan 24, 2018 8:20 pm

Dontaskme wrote:
Wed Jan 24, 2018 8:01 pm
Atla wrote:
Wed Jan 24, 2018 7:25 pm
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I agree with absolutely everything you've said. And yes, some take this to the extreme, to the point of abandon from mainstream life as we know it. I haven't done that myself though, I have not yet retreated to the hills, but are sometimes tempted. I still enjoy life to the full as much as I can.
Are you from the west, or the east if you don't mind me asking, you do not have to reply.

PS..it's actually quite dangerous knowledge, one could get beaten to a pulp telling another person they do not exist in the way they think they do. Best to keep the mouth shut. You have made me more aware of that, so thanks.
I'm form the West. Actually I wasn't studying philosophy, I was mainly studying science that made me realize nondualism. :)) Later I found out that there are at least hundreds of millions of people, maybe more, in the East who already think this way.

I'll be honest, I don't consider myself to be particularly stupid, but I didn't see nondualism coming. For a Westerner, it's just an entirely different and unexpected world. We Westerners keep looking and looking and looking for the answers and then it turns out that the answers lie in a completely unexpected and funny "direction".

Nondualism is so alien to the Westerner mind that they would sooner put the white jacket on us than actually think about what we are saying.

And Western Cartesian split-mind dualism is so alien to the Eastern mind that they can't even really grasp it, as I suspect.

Yeah it's dangerous knowledge but in the end, it's awesome isn't it. :) And it's also the starting point for what I now consider "real" philosophy, the real inquiry about why this universe anyway, out of the infinite possibilities, and what's with the human form anyway.

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Re: Proof that all is ONENESS

Post by Dontaskme » Thu Jan 25, 2018 1:12 pm

Atla wrote:
Wed Jan 24, 2018 8:20 pm

Yeah it's dangerous knowledge but in the end, it's awesome isn't it. :) And it's also the starting point for what I now consider "real" philosophy, the real inquiry about why this universe anyway, out of the infinite possibilities, and what's with the human form anyway.
I'm from England...and funnily enough my surname is English

Yes, it is awesome, it's really really awesome. I sometimes miss myself though and feel an aching longing, but that soon passes and I'm back to awesomness again. :D

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Re: Proof that all is ONENESS

Post by Atla » Thu Jan 25, 2018 2:16 pm

Dontaskme wrote:
Thu Jan 25, 2018 1:12 pm
Atla wrote:
Wed Jan 24, 2018 8:20 pm

Yeah it's dangerous knowledge but in the end, it's awesome isn't it. :) And it's also the starting point for what I now consider "real" philosophy, the real inquiry about why this universe anyway, out of the infinite possibilities, and what's with the human form anyway.
I'm from England...and funnily enough my surname is English

Yes, it is awesome, it's really really awesome. I sometimes miss myself though and feel an aching longing, but that soon passes and I'm back to awesomness again. :D
Well I think of it this way, the ego is broken, but the ego was just an expression of self-awareness. Humans and a few other species have self-awareness in the head.

After awakening, self-awareness is still there, if anything, it only becomes stronger. So the "essence" of me is still here. I, as this individual self-awareness, am still here.

But that too is illusory in the end, and of course I'm also freaked out by my own unreality. What is better, to dream all your life, but never realize that it's a dream, or to wake up one day, but then you can't ever truly go back to dreaming again. Overall I'd say the latter is better.

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Re: Proof that all is ONENESS

Post by Dontaskme » Fri Jan 26, 2018 8:44 pm

Atla wrote:
Thu Jan 25, 2018 2:16 pm

Well I think of it this way, the ego is broken, but the ego was just an expression of self-awareness. Humans and a few other species have self-awareness in the head.

After awakening, self-awareness is still there, if anything, it only becomes stronger. So the "essence" of me is still here. I, as this individual self-awareness, am still here.

But that too is illusory in the end, and of course I'm also freaked out by my own unreality. What is better, to dream all your life, but never realize that it's a dream, or to wake up one day, but then you can't ever truly go back to dreaming again. Overall I'd say the latter is better.

Don't you just hate it when you get freaked out by your own absence. (unreality)

But then waking up and realising it's impossible to experience our own absence. It's so freaking awesome.

I agree with all your saying too..smilee smiley smiles... :D :mrgreen: :wink:

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