But time is just a thought arising now from no thing. Thoughts are energetical. Thoughts don't belong to any thing. Energy is not a thing. Everything and Nothing is a happening now to no one...as this one unitary energetical dance of which thought is an integral part.Beauty wrote:Existence non-existence there, but not at the same point in time is a reality not just a thought. Time depends on development, things happening, but when I am resting even then time is flowing. So time is forever existent and it would have come up with nothing, being a part of that, but that being nothing it would not be there, so time would have come up in the process of something coming up.
What comes up is a thought. From no thing, as no thing, through no thing, appearing and disappearing endlessly in no thing.
Nothing can be known or experienced of what energy actually is, because the very knowing and experiencing of reality is made up of the same energy that is attempting to describe or make distinctions about reality. Everything is basically made of the thing it's in, which is not a thing, except as conceptual fiction arising as thought within it.
Reality IS, but it's not happening to a thing. The idea that reality is happening to a some thing..ie: a 'me' is a thought. It's a mental construction. Isness is..but it's not a thing. Things are thoughts ..thought is not a thing. So the whole idea of things existing is a fiction arising as thought within it.
Okay so we can say when there is no thought present there's just Isness without a label. And when thought is present Isness is something. But only thought makes that so, but that's not what reality actually is. In truth there is no actual reality.
For example: Trees are, but trees are not really trees, they're just empty images. Zoom into any object and you reach the great emptiness from which all images are a mere projection having a temporal appearance.
But what I'm trying to say is that the reality prior to thought and the reality born of thought are the same reality since thoughts are just phantom imaginings. The're just energy playing trickless tricks.
Nothing becomes...except as a fictional story. There's just Everything which is Nothing.Beauty wrote:I believe that we all came up (our spirit) from nothing. When we make things we start from scratch and then we have something, even though the constituent elements have always been there, for energy cannot be created nor destroyed on our world earth. We coming up from nothing then would defy the law of conservation of energy as we would emerge from nothing into becoming something, so we would emerge outside of this world of ours, wherein energy can be created and destroyed. If energy could not be created nor destroyed, how would be come from nothing into being something? So that would have to be there that conservation of energy is not there.
Becoming is a mentally constructed activity, a wavy movement within perfect stillness....It's a wave arising out of the ocean..a movement from latent to kinetic energy. But when too much energy is being produced that over use forces the energy back to it's latent state which is it's natural resting state. But the resting state is unstable and so there is a desire for movement. That two and fro scenario is what creates the flow of life in motion. But no thing is actually moving anywhere for it is everywhere at once.
I don't buy into all this spirit knowledge... I consider all knowledge to be conceptual story that has no actually reality.So comments like this are irrelevant to this particular discussion.Beauty wrote: Now, because conservation of energy is not there in the world above, that is why to be good becomes all the more important, or the wicked spirits could just annihilate us into nothing. So then we understand this whole issue of - be a good girl, be a good boy as scripture suggests. And we also understand the issue of "fallen" and "risen." If the law prevalent in the world above was not there, all the good spirits would be gone, only the wicked would remain. But the law being there and being - your action - your consequence - your fate, then justice is done to everyone. Spirit is energy. Remember spirited?
That which appears to make a distinction between opposites ie: something and nothing does not exist except as imagined. What is here now is not imagined. That which knows what is here now is imagined.Beauty wrote:Have you ever considered the fact that nothing existing, then prior to that if something's not there, how would you define it? You couldn't. As such, while nothing is there, something's not there and vice-versa. Also, spirit's coming would also be as quarks - spiritual quarks showing spiritual properties. Also, something and nothing both are absolutes and both are opposites so both cannot exist at the same time except as subsets or in the abstract in the sense that pen, here today gone tomorrow and yet its elements there in the environment, thereby satisfying that fact that we coming from nothing, then we are contained in nothing, and we going into nothing, then nothing coming from us, so nothing is contained in us.