Greta wrote: The fact is that space is not empty but full of quantum particles.
The same could be said for all quanta, including that which makes up our atoms, in which case we ourselves are no more real than space.Obvious Leo wrote:This is not a physical statement but a mathematical one, Greta, because you left a critically important adjective out of your statement. Space is full of VIRTUAL quantum particles and the meaning of "virtual" in physics is exactly the same as the meaning of "virtual" in the common usage. "Virtual" means NOT REAL.
The quantum foam is far more acknowledged than the idea that space doesn't exist. Sadly, I'm not Steve or Neo and can't delve as deeply into this with you as would be ideal. All I can do is what most do - see which experts seem most credible and whose ideas resonate.Obvious Leo wrote:Your quantum foam is a mathematical metaphor and nowadays a much unloved one. Even Feynman had the decency to shudder at such a usage and clever Dick was a logical positivist in a class of his own.
A nice description of virtual particles here for your perusal and scorn http://profmattstrassler.com/articles-a ... -are-they/
I've tended to agree with you when you say it's best not to complicate things if possible and not discount the bloody obvious, and I'm doing that now. My science chops are lacking but, speaking from logic, if there is space between you and me, then there's space between cosmic bodies, as there's space between atoms, as there's space between the orbital clouds of electrons. Further, it makes sense to me not to think of space as empty but zones of low density through which higher density zones like objects be be or travel. We've spoken about this kind of thing before but I always gave up in confusion and I'd rather try to understand your ideas than be confused by them.
Entanglement could suggest a lack of space, as you espouse, or it could suggest actual physical short cuts through space (as opposed to wormholes, that are theoretic shortcuts with no physical evidence).
Sorry, have to stop for a moment because my neck is giving me gyp again. Can hardly sleep etc and permanently grumpy, hence foolishly buying into the dribble/drivel thing. Shall return when I don't feel like a gorilla is trying to twist my head off ...