Universe can't be infinite.

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Re: Universe can't be infinite.

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You don't understand infinity. Try this:

http://sites.middlebury.edu/fyse1229pis ... -infinite/
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devans99 wrote: Tue Nov 27, 2018 3:08 pm You don't understand infinity. Try this:

http://sites.middlebury.edu/fyse1229pis ... -infinite/
I think I understand it far better than you given that any time you mention or USE it in an equation I can drive you to a contradiction.

Every time you USE it, you give it MEANING. You make it ACTUAL ;)
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Re: Universe can't be infinite.

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TimeSeeker wrote: Tue Nov 27, 2018 3:14 pm
devans99 wrote: Tue Nov 27, 2018 3:08 pm You don't understand infinity. Try this:

http://sites.middlebury.edu/fyse1229pis ... -infinite/
I think I understand it far better than you given that any time you mention or USE it in an equation I can drive you to a contradiction.

Every time you USE it, you give it MEANING.
It's not 'it' it's 'them'. Potential and actual infinity are completely different and you don't understand that.
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devans99 wrote: Tue Nov 27, 2018 3:17 pm It's not 'it' it's 'them'. Potential and actual infinity are completely different and you don't understand that.
It is because they are NOT different is why I can contradict you every time you use infinity in your equations.

Every time you PARSE the symbol ∞ in your head you give it meaning.

"potential" vs "actual" is special pleading. Dualism!
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Re: Universe can't be infinite.

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You have not managed to contradict me once and you can't stay on topic.

The universe is expanding so it cannot be infinite in space else there would be nowhere to expand to. Infinity is the problem: it's larger than any possible thing. Yet we require it to expand; implying it was not larger than any possible thing.

That's officially mad and impossible. Universe is therefore finite in space too.
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devans99 wrote: Tue Nov 27, 2018 3:26 pm You have not managed to contradict me once and you can't stay on topic.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Ok you can fuck off now. Dishonest asshole :)
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You are so full of shit.
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devans99 wrote: Tue Nov 27, 2018 3:30 pm You are so full of shit.
Quite the opposite. I care about truth.

It's because you don't is why you have been doing apologetics on how to sneak in "=~" into the real numbers. Just so you can preserve the sanctity of infinity limits. If that's not the definition of dogma - then I don't know what is.

Theists everywhere :)
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I am not a theist, I'm a deist:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism

That means God and Science in harmony. It's the way of the future.
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devans99 wrote: Tue Nov 27, 2018 3:38 pm I am not a theist, I'm a deist:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism

That means God and Science in harmony. It's the way of the future.
You are dogmatic either way.

I dislike dogmatists :)
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TimeSeeker wrote: Tue Nov 27, 2018 3:36 pm If that's not the definition of dogma - then I don't know what is.

Theists everywhere :)
DOG_MA? AM GOD

Gnostics too.

This entity operates at the most finite binary level of 'matter' - from years of experience. :D
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attofishpi wrote: Tue Nov 27, 2018 3:39 pm
TimeSeeker wrote: Tue Nov 27, 2018 3:36 pm If that's not the definition of dogma - then I don't know what is.

Theists everywhere :)
DOG_MA? AM GOD

Gnostics too.
Yes. I dislike gnostics and dogmatists.

Same difference.
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TimeSeeker wrote: Tue Nov 27, 2018 3:40 pm
attofishpi wrote: Tue Nov 27, 2018 3:39 pm
TimeSeeker wrote: Tue Nov 27, 2018 3:36 pm If that's not the definition of dogma - then I don't know what is.

Theists everywhere :)
DOG_MA? AM GOD

Gnostics too.
Yes. I dislike gnostics and dogmatists.

Same difference.
You timeseek so quick you missed this 'bit':- This entity operates at the most finite binary level of 'matter' - from years of experience. :D
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attofishpi wrote: Tue Nov 27, 2018 3:42 pm You timeseek so quick you missed this 'bit':- This entity operates at the most finite binary level of 'matter' - from years of experience. :D
I think we both subscribe to this religion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_theory

Praise be to the Shannon-God!

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Information and entropy!
Order and chaos!
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TimeSeeker wrote: Tue Nov 27, 2018 3:47 pm
attofishpi wrote: Tue Nov 27, 2018 3:42 pm You timeseek so quick you missed this 'bit':- This entity operates at the most finite binary level of 'matter' - from years of experience. :D
I think we both subscribe to this religion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_theory

Praise be to the Shannon-God!
Information and entropy!
Order and chaos!
Sorry, i'm not that into emotis. But sure, I am not not your typical buy bull bashing suck down the eucharist and don't chew on Christ with your mouth open.

You may not have seen a post I have questioned you in within another thread. But, I have a comprehension that whatever the 3rd party intelligence is -
'God' if you will formed our reality, indeed the logic required for it, from the chaos of the early universe. Within that thread you questioned infinite regress, well, is there such a thing where logic stems from chaos? In other words, can we infinitely regress through chaos?
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