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what was before anything was.
Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2014 10:49 am
by jackles
lets go back if we may before anything happen.no big bang yet so no time matter or relativity has become happening existance.nothing is in existance but existance.in other words existance has not yet become relative .then the big bang creates energy as an expression of its self .objects form from the energy created.the nonrelative pre bigbang state shows its self up in the created event as relativity between the created objects and as time and space.
Re: what was before anything was.
Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2014 11:29 am
by morganna swish
jackles wrote:lets go back if we may before anything happen.no big bang yet so no time matter or relativity has become happening existance.nothing is in existance but existance.in other words existance has not yet become relative .then the big bang creates energy as an expression of its self .objects form from the energy created.the nonrelative pre bigbang state shows its self up in the created event as relativity between the created objects and as time and space.
What was before anything was ?
Nobody knows. Nothing?
What will be when everything isn't?
Nobody knows. Nothing?
What is the point of such questions?
Re: what was before anything was.
Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2014 12:14 pm
by Ginkgo
jackles wrote:lets go back if we may before anything happen.no big bang yet so no time matter or relativity has become happening existance.nothing is in existance but existance.in other words existance has not yet become relative .then the big bang creates energy as an expression of its self .objects form from the energy created.the nonrelative pre bigbang state shows its self up in the created event as relativity between the created objects and as time and space.
The classical understanding of "nothing" means exactly that. This idea can be traced all the way back to Aristotle, hence the need for a first cause argument. Science doesn't deal in first cause explanations. Fortunately science can give us a reasonable explanation for the creation of the universe right up to a few milliseconds just before that Big Bang, but doesn't deal with events prior to the Big Bang.
Some physicists such as Lawrence Krauss postulates that the terms "nothing" when dealing with cosmology is a meaningless question. In other words, it begs the irrelevant question as to what came before the Big Bang. Scientists such as Krauss prefer to talk about "nothingness" as being something. In other words, vacuum energy basically puts forward the idea that nothingness will eventually be populated by something-ness, even if only for a fraction of a second.
The solution to this problem is there was never nothing, but always something in the form of virtual particles. Most theories in this respect reflect the idea that the Big Bang was not the beginning of anything. Multiverse theory and Brane theory reject the idea that that was a first cause to the universe. It is important to keep in mind that the Big Bang theory is not a first cause theory.
Re: what was before anything was.
Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2014 3:07 pm
by jackles
felesco you put it as i am thinking it.and if something came from nothing for sure the relativity in that something has to be the nothing that something originated from which is nothing.so how come consciousness seems to be that nothing with something inside it.
Re: what was before anything was.
Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2014 7:56 pm
by Blaggard
Nothing Jackles obviously, next.
The only interesting question is if there was ever nothing, or if the universe is eternal and always has been.
Incidentally the Greeks never really defined nothing, at least not in a mathematical system that was left to the Persians and Arabs (Who probably used earlier works and refined them in maths, in the case of the Arabs I mean, possibly from Egyptian sources and the surrounding mediterranean regions that had conquered Egypt, such as the "Greeks" or more correctly Macedonians who had stored vast libraries of information in the Great Library at Alexandria, named for Alexander the Great. Sadly it was burned to the ground, so much of this information was lost, but it turned up later as such information is always copied) and Indians, although they did have a very valid concept going, it just wasn't considered that useful in maths at the time, although some philosophers had a stab at defining it IIRC nad even noted some possible but theoretical utility in it.
The Royal Library of Alexandria, or Ancient Library of Alexandria, in Alexandria, Egypt, was one of the largest and most significant libraries of the ancient world. It was dedicated to the Muses, the nine goddesses of the arts.[1] It flourished under the patronage of the Ptolemaic dynasty and functioned as a major center of scholarship from its construction in the 3rd century BC until the Roman conquest of Egypt in 30 BC. With collections of works, lecture halls, meeting rooms, and gardens, the library was part of a larger research institution called the Musaeum of Alexandria, where many of the most famous thinkers of the ancient world studied.
The library was created by Ptolemy I Soter, who was a Macedonian general and the successor of Alexander the Great.[2] As a symbol of the wealth and power of Egypt, it employed many scribes to steal books from around the known world, copy them, and never returned them. Most of the books were kept as papyrus scrolls, and though it is unknown how many such scrolls were housed at any given time, their combined value was incalculable.
The library is famous for having been burned resulting in the loss of many scrolls and books, and has become a symbol of the destruction of cultural knowledge. A few sources differ on who is responsible for the destruction and when it occurred. Although there is a mythology of the burning of the Library at Alexandria, the library may have suffered several fires or acts of destruction over many years. Possible occasions for the partial or complete destruction of the Library of Alexandria include a fire set by Julius Caesar in 48 BC, an attack by Aurelian in the 270s AD, the decree of Coptic Pope Theophilus in 391 AD, and the decree of the second caliph Omar ibn Al-khattāb in 640 AD.
After the main library was fully destroyed, ancient scholars used a "daughter library" in a temple known as the Serapeum, located in another part of the city. According to Socrates of Constantinople, Coptic Pope Theophilus destroyed the Serapeum in 391 AD.
Seven wonders of the world..? At least 8 no?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Library_of_Alexandria
Re: what was before anything was.
Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2014 11:03 pm
by jackles
blags you dont seem to be able to grasp the nettle of relativity and the roll it plays at the root of the mind and the efforts to define consciousness as relativity its very self.the cause of energy.
Re: what was before anything was.
Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2014 11:59 pm
by Blaggard
That would come across far better if you explained why rather than just asserting it as a fact jackles.
Re: what was before anything was.
Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 1:00 am
by jackles
well blags i dont believe the mind is put into consciousness in a linier way.i think that relativity in the event and relativity in the mind is one and the same thing and not seperate as it would be if the mind was a linier based machine.
Re: what was before anything was.
Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 1:04 am
by Blaggard
That's not an explanation it's just an opinion though J.
I don't believe that spider monkeys come from mars to infiltrate our eyes with pies. End of the day though no one cares. If you catch my drift.
Re: what was before anything was.
Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 1:23 am
by jackles
descent life on the planet now and in the future depends on the belief in god as in the observer as the good samariton.science is dangerous to the well being of the planet without morals to guide it for the good.philosphy can give more insight into what god is in a scientific age.
Re: what was before anything was.
Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 7:37 pm
by Impenitent
no, what was on second
-Imp
Re: what was before anything was.
Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2014 3:57 am
by jackles
second was second relative to a first.
Re: what was before anything was.
Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2014 2:21 pm
by Arising_uk
Impenitent wrote:no, what was on second
-Imp
Who was on second.
Re: what was before anything was.
Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2014 5:23 pm
by jackles
think it was you arising.chicken was the main course.
Re: what was before anything was.
Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2014 5:31 pm
by Arising_uk
You don't have the relative local digestion.