Hobbes' Choice wrote:Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent..
Then none of us should be saying anything because we don't really KNOW anything?
Hobbes' Choice wrote:What's the difference between your speculations and the existence of fairies?
Well, I've not actually experienced fairies, but I HAVE experienced other things that have informed/inspired what I speak of. Don't most people speak from what they've experienced? What is evident/valid to one person, may not be evident/valid to another... because how can so many different perspectives ever agree on what is valid? But we can say, "Here's what I've seen... and here's the potential/implications that suggests to me -- for what that's worth to anyone else." The trouble seems to be when people claim to know ultimate truth for all.
All very well, but none of this gets to a suggestion that death is not indeed final.
Obviously a car, once melted down into its constituent parts can become a toaster and a fireguard, and once rotted, the atoms that once comprised a human, could form part of a tree. BUT. as the BWMness of the car atoms was all about their unique organisation, and the humanness about the unique arrangement of atoms, especially in the cerebral cortext, once that organisation is lost, lost forever being unique, there is no BWM, nor any Joe Smith.
There is no doubt that the unique organisation of a vehicle provides for its identity, as with each of us the brain actually and demonstrably changes with each new thing we learn and feel. Memories that comprise our biography can be lost with drugs and injury. To pretend that death is not final is to pretend that we are not reliant on our memories, our learning, and our behaviour for who and what we are.
We are not the same person we were yesterday, as each action makes new pathways and connections in the brain. Do you expect me to believe that without these unique pathways and structures, that we may persist in some way?