I am still working on it. Explaining helps me to clarify my ideas, and thanks for commenting .popeye1945 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 7:52 pmWow, it is going to take me awhile to digest that, interesting!! You are a piece of work; I mean that in a positive way!!Belinda wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 12:53 pmI mean, not only full body consciousness,as brain can't exist without oxygen etc, but also all material existence : circulation of the blood, osmosis, etc. The materialist (physicalist) is not mistaken that physical stuff exists and is apprehended through objective minds.popeye1945 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 9:30 pm
Belinda, is what you are inferring full body consciousness, if so, it would be difficult to deny. I believe awareness itself is function and not material, just as thought is not physical but the product of the physical.
I also mean that subjective perspectives pertain to all living things and subjective implies not mediated by objective considerations. Subjectively, men usually feel there is an objectively material world 'out there'. Thus the material world of brains, bodies, and physiology is conceptual.
Also conceptual is what I am doing right now, philosophising. Both the material and the mental are true and are two aspects of the same thing which is Deus Sive Natura. (It's a pity English is so polluted by silly beliefs that we speak Latin!)
So I don't think "thought is ----- the product of the physical". That explanation of thought is a posteriori explanation. Thought, or 'mind' and the material world a priori are aspects of nature.
Elsewhere, either on this philosophy website or the other one, this morning I was trying to explain how existence itself (otherwise known as being itself) is one big Law which, as a priori Law, implies that all that happens necessarily happens.That in a nutshell is causal determinism .
("One big Law" does not imply a supernatural anthropomorphic Lawmaking deity).