bahman wrote: ↑Tue May 24, 2022 10:45 pm
To me, reality consists of minds and qualia. Minimally there are two minds one causes qualia that I perceive and another mind is mine. An object in my view can only exist if there are more minds that are responsible for moving qualia in reality. What is an object? An assembly of minds that exchange qualia with each other and form an entity.
So you believe your mind is imbedded in a greater mind, which causes qualia. You mind directly perceives these Qualia, which the supermind has produced. The light which is being projected, IS the qualia itself, as are all objects. Nothing exists except the mind, and the qualia.
What if instead of calling the greater mind a mind, we call it existence, which would make the objects also part of that existence.
What happens when you die, do the qualia remain, or do they cease? Are the qualia dependent on your mind, or independent?
If they are independent, how can you distinguish between the two ideas of mind independent objects, and mind independent qualia?
If you say, the objects are the qualia, how can someone have a hallucination? Or, maybe misidentify something, like mistake a rope for a snake? If your mind does not interpret the qualia, if it doesn’t assemble some internal model which acts as a proxy for whatever is out there, how do you account for these discrepancies?
bahman wrote: ↑Tue May 24, 2022 10:45 pm
Mind only directly experiences and causes qualia. If objectivism (by objectivism I mean that objects exist as it is illustrated in the previous comment) is really true then my mind experiences the qualia that are created in my brain by other minds which this of course is the result of light reflecting from an object and interact with my sensory system, etc. There are minds exchanging information in this chain.
So you do agree your sensory system has some work to do, to interpret that light pattern, and distinguish it as for example, a rope and not a snake. If there is some interpretation, then what you see in your mind is a representation of what is out there. Therefore there can be a difference between what is out there, and what is in the mind. So there is something out there which the qualia refer to, which could be different from what they appear to be. This must be a mind independent object.
You might say, this object (qualia using your term) is dependent on the greater mind (existence in my term). I would agree that objects require existence. They must be imbedded in some existent framework. We call this the universe, you call it a universal mind. Seems like semantics now.
See it seems you want qualia to be able to do all the work that the current understanding of the physical universe does, such as having physical properties, mass, momentum, etc.
Would you say then that physicists are studying and describing the behaviour of qualia and the universal mind?
bahman wrote: ↑Tue May 24, 2022 10:45 pm
Of course, I am not denying that there are at least two minds. My view is, however, idealism by which I mean that mind is fundamental and qualia are due to mind.
Does this universal mind have the same property as our mind being awareness? Does it know that it exists?
I want to understand if there is any difference between this greater mind, and what others might term, existence?