What's wrong with physicalism ? And a possible defence of it

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Re: What's wrong with physicalism ? And a possible defence of it

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bahman wrote: Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:20 am
Sculptor wrote: Sun Sep 12, 2021 4:57 pm
bahman wrote: Sun Sep 12, 2021 4:19 pm
The problem that how the brain can be conscious when its parts are not.
There is no problem since we know that the whole is greater than the sum of its parts in countless examples you seem to dull to recognise.
The whole cannot be greater than the sum of its part when the property of the whole is a function of properties of parts.
... In many many examples far to onumerous to mention.
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RCSaunders wrote: Mon Sep 13, 2021 4:12 pm
Sculptor wrote: Sun Sep 12, 2021 4:57 pm
bahman wrote: Sun Sep 12, 2021 4:19 pm
The problem that how the brain can be conscious when its parts are not.
There is no problem since we know that the whole is greater than the sum of its parts in countless examples you seem to dull to recognise.
"We," do? I'm not certain what those who say that mean, but if it means something made up of components weighing 5 lbs, 3 lbs, and 2 lbs, can be a whole greater than 10 lbs,
DIn't be stupid. It does not suit you.
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Advocate wrote: Mon Sep 13, 2021 6:29 pm
RCSaunders wrote: Mon Sep 13, 2021 3:40 pm
Advocate wrote: Mon Sep 13, 2021 2:13 pm Mind is a metaphor for the patterns in the brain.
How odd. What patterns, exactly, are conscious perceiving and thinking? Are they physical patterns, chemical patterns, electrical patterns, behavioral patterns, or some other kind of patterns? What does that even mean?
The higher-order ones. It's a metaphor. It doesn't get specific boundaries.
Well that explains exactly nothing. You mght at least name one of these, "higher-order," patterns.
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How odd. What patterns, exactly, are conscious perceiving and thinking? Are they physical patterns, chemical patterns, electrical patterns, behavioral patterns, or some other kind of patterns? What does that even mean?
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The higher-order ones. It's a metaphor. It doesn't get specific boundaries.
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Well that explains exactly nothing. You mght at least name one of these, "higher-order," patterns.
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It explains exactly everything. Looking for more precision than the universe allows is the futile path.
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