Everything would be simultaneous...

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RCSaunders wrote: Sat Jun 05, 2021 6:22 pm
bahman wrote: Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:47 am Everything would be simultaneous if cause and effect coincide. The reality is however temporal, therefore effect occurs after cause.
Don't worry about it.There is no such thing as cause and effect. Its the simpleminded fiction invention of Hume and the way "cause," is understood by school children.
How then reality is if it is not cause and effect. It applies to any process.
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bahman wrote: Sat Jun 05, 2021 7:52 am
Age wrote: Sat Jun 05, 2021 7:30 am
bahman wrote: Sat Jun 05, 2021 6:28 am
No, mind exist during separation.
If this is your answer, then you OBVIOUSLY did MISUNDERSTAND my question.
No, I didn't. There is nothing during that interval except the mind.
WHAT 'interval'?

WHAT is that, supposed, 'interval', an interval of EXACTLY?
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Age wrote: Sun Jun 06, 2021 6:37 am
bahman wrote: Sat Jun 05, 2021 7:52 am
Age wrote: Sat Jun 05, 2021 7:30 am

If this is your answer, then you OBVIOUSLY did MISUNDERSTAND my question.
No, I didn't. There is nothing during that interval except the mind.
WHAT 'interval'?

WHAT is that, supposed, 'interval', an interval of EXACTLY?
In this case temporal interval.
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bahman wrote: Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:15 am
Age wrote: Sun Jun 06, 2021 6:37 am
bahman wrote: Sat Jun 05, 2021 7:52 am
No, I didn't. There is nothing during that interval except the mind.
WHAT 'interval'?

WHAT is that, supposed, 'interval', an interval of EXACTLY?
In this case temporal interval.
So, to you, the 'interval', of which you are speaking of, is the interval of a temporal interval, correct?

If this is not correct, then what is?

But, if that was correct, then the more you 'try to' clarify the more you appear confused.

Also, if there is ANY thing other than a 'temporal' interval, then what is that interval?

And, what do you mean by 'temporal' here?
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Age wrote: Sun Jun 06, 2021 9:12 am
bahman wrote: Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:15 am
Age wrote: Sun Jun 06, 2021 6:37 am

WHAT 'interval'?

WHAT is that, supposed, 'interval', an interval of EXACTLY?
In this case temporal interval.
So, to you, the 'interval', of which you are speaking of, is the interval of a temporal interval, correct?

If this is not correct, then what is?

But, if that was correct, then the more you 'try to' clarify the more you appear confused.

Also, if there is ANY thing other than a 'temporal' interval, then what is that interval?

And, what do you mean by 'temporal' here?
For the meaning of interval and temporal please check a dictionary.
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bahman wrote: Sun Jun 06, 2021 10:02 am
Age wrote: Sun Jun 06, 2021 9:12 am
bahman wrote: Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:15 am
In this case temporal interval.
So, to you, the 'interval', of which you are speaking of, is the interval of a temporal interval, correct?

If this is not correct, then what is?

But, if that was correct, then the more you 'try to' clarify the more you appear confused.

Also, if there is ANY thing other than a 'temporal' interval, then what is that interval?

And, what do you mean by 'temporal' here?
For the meaning of interval and temporal please check a dictionary.
ANOTHER PRIME EXAMPLE of just how the human beings, in the days when this was written, made MANY CLAIMS but, very sadly for them, were COMPLETELY and UTTERLY INCAPABLE of backing up and supporting THEIR CLAIMS.

WHENEVER they, FINALLY, REALIZE that their CLAIMS were False, Wrong, and/or Incorrect, then will 'try to' DETRACT or DEFER somehow.

Once they actually STOP, and start THINKING ABOUT what they ACTUALLY WROTE, then they REALIZE just how ILLOGICAL and ABSURD their CLAIMS ARE. As PROVEN, ONCE MORE.

Oh, and by the way, I checked within a dictionary. That is how I ACTUALLY KNEW what 'you' were CLAIMING was SO ILLOGICAL and ABSURD.
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bahman wrote: Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:17 am
RCSaunders wrote: Sat Jun 05, 2021 6:22 pm
bahman wrote: Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:47 am Everything would be simultaneous if cause and effect coincide. The reality is however temporal, therefore effect occurs after cause.
Don't worry about it.There is no such thing as cause and effect. Its the simpleminded fiction invention of Hume and the way "cause," is understood by school children.
How then reality is if it is not cause and effect. It applies to any process.
No. It's not, "cause," that is the mistake, it's the view that, "the same cause produces the same effect," that is mistaken. Cause is not, "this kind of event causes this kind of event." In fact no true scientific principle can be explained in those terms. Cause is whatever the, "explanation," or, "reason," any event takes place and is almost always determined by many variables, never any single, "cause."

Scientific principles are never of the form, Cause A always results in effect B. Scientific principles are of the form, these entities have properties A, B, and C, and entities with those properties will behave in manner D in context E. Even the simplest of physical properties are descriptions of relationships, like E=IR, the voltage in a DC circuit equals the current times the resistance. What causes all events is the nature of the entities acting in relation to other entities. In the entire history of the universe there have never been two identical events with identical causes.
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RCSaunders wrote: Sun Jun 06, 2021 4:17 pm
bahman wrote: Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:17 am
RCSaunders wrote: Sat Jun 05, 2021 6:22 pm
Don't worry about it.There is no such thing as cause and effect. Its the simpleminded fiction invention of Hume and the way "cause," is understood by school children.
How then reality is if it is not cause and effect. It applies to any process.
No. It's not, "cause," that is the mistake, it's the view that, "the same cause produces the same effect," that is mistaken. Cause is not, "this kind of event causes this kind of event." In fact no true scientific principle can be explained in those terms. Cause is whatever the, "explanation," or, "reason," any event takes place and is almost always determined by many variables, never any single, "cause."

Scientific principles are never of the form, Cause A always results in effect B. Scientific principles are of the form, these entities have properties A, B, and C, and entities with those properties will behave in manner D in context E. Even the simplest of physical properties are descriptions of relationships, like E=IR, the voltage in a DC circuit equals the current times the resistance. What causes all events is the nature of the entities acting in relation to other entities. In the entire history of the universe there have never been two identical events with identical causes.
We also have a deterministic system of causes and effects. I am not talking about determinism though.
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bahman wrote: Mon Jun 07, 2021 2:18 am
RCSaunders wrote: Sun Jun 06, 2021 4:17 pm
bahman wrote: Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:17 am
How then reality is if it is not cause and effect. It applies to any process.
No. It's not, "cause," that is the mistake, it's the view that, "the same cause produces the same effect," that is mistaken. Cause is not, "this kind of event causes this kind of event." In fact no true scientific principle can be explained in those terms. Cause is whatever the, "explanation," or, "reason," any event takes place and is almost always determined by many variables, never any single, "cause."

Scientific principles are never of the form, Cause A always results in effect B. Scientific principles are of the form, these entities have properties A, B, and C, and entities with those properties will behave in manner D in context E. Even the simplest of physical properties are descriptions of relationships, like E=IR, the voltage in a DC circuit equals the current times the resistance. What causes all events is the nature of the entities acting in relation to other entities. In the entire history of the universe there have never been two identical events with identical causes.
We also have a deterministic system of causes and effects. I am not talking about determinism though.
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RCSaunders wrote: Mon Jun 07, 2021 4:49 pm
bahman wrote: Mon Jun 07, 2021 2:18 am
RCSaunders wrote: Sun Jun 06, 2021 4:17 pm
No. It's not, "cause," that is the mistake, it's the view that, "the same cause produces the same effect," that is mistaken. Cause is not, "this kind of event causes this kind of event." In fact no true scientific principle can be explained in those terms. Cause is whatever the, "explanation," or, "reason," any event takes place and is almost always determined by many variables, never any single, "cause."

Scientific principles are never of the form, Cause A always results in effect B. Scientific principles are of the form, these entities have properties A, B, and C, and entities with those properties will behave in manner D in context E. Even the simplest of physical properties are descriptions of relationships, like E=IR, the voltage in a DC circuit equals the current times the resistance. What causes all events is the nature of the entities acting in relation to other entities. In the entire history of the universe there have never been two identical events with identical causes.
We also have a deterministic system of causes and effects. I am not talking about determinism though.
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bahman wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 4:03 am
RCSaunders wrote: Mon Jun 07, 2021 4:49 pm
bahman wrote: Mon Jun 07, 2021 2:18 am
We also have a deterministic system of causes and effects. I am not talking about determinism though.
Who's we?
People who studied many particles systems.
They obviously wasted their time.
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RCSaunders wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 12:08 pm
bahman wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 4:03 am
RCSaunders wrote: Mon Jun 07, 2021 4:49 pm
Who's we?
People who studied many particles systems.
They obviously wasted their time.
I don't think so.
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bahman wrote: Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:47 am Everything would be simultaneous if cause and effect coincide. The reality is however temporal, therefore effect occurs after cause.
Reality is now.
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bahman wrote: Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:47 am Everything would be simultaneous if cause and effect coincide. The reality is however temporal, therefore effect occurs after cause.
The wave function is everything at once.

The biological body is Self existing at the same place (your body) at different times and mind is Self existing at different places at the same time.

From one perspective it appears as though physical phenomena are causing the movements of other physical particles and from another perspective it is the wave function that is causing the actions of physical subatomic particles.

It's like a 2D screen. There cause-effect relationship that appears to be happening between the "objects" on the screen is actually an illusion. The cause of the apparent separate objects interacting with one another is the information wave hitting the back of the screen, not from the on and off flashing pixels.

The Self/Absolute/Awareness is the frame of reference; the reality; that which does not change.
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commonsense wrote: Thu Jun 10, 2021 1:14 pm
bahman wrote: Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:47 am Everything would be simultaneous if cause and effect coincide. The reality is however temporal, therefore effect occurs after cause.
Reality is now.
If by "now" you mean timeless presence, I concur.

If by "now" you are referring to your immediate physical surroundings i do not.

Everything experienced as the physical 3D realm is actually the past. Thoughts are the future self and Absolute, Divine Self is outside of time and Absolute.
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