Wow, someone’s a little frustrated there. Calm down a little, we’re just tossing up ideas.dxoutkast wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 10:44 pm Tired of your bullshit on another forums mate. I had to answer this one.
What do you mean by "POV of mind itself"?
There is no such thing, you have a mind, the POV of "mind itself" is YOUR POV. WHICH INDEED happens inside a brain.
BS. IT HAS A LOCATION, inside a brain.
No, it's not.
No such thing as "external 3rd person view". EACH VIEW you have is FIRST PERSON view of the mind, which is located inside your brain.
The "mind" can't know shit, there is no such thing as "the mind, as a mini alien knowing things". You're the one who possess a mind.
... so according to you, you can leave your brain as much as you want, but you "allow" your mind to be in the brain . Of course this is 100% a fact. You can't be serious.
The "mind" can't understans shit, there is no such thing as "the mind, as a mini alien knowing things". You're the one who understands a mind.
if “you” are the one that understands and knows a mind, what exactly are you then?
What a bunch of word salad rubbish. You learning with Deepak?Dimebag wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 11:57 pm a̶l̶l̶ ̶t̶h̶a̶t̶ ̶i̶t̶ ̶o̶b̶s̶e̶r̶v̶e̶s̶,̶ ̶o̶c̶c̶u̶r̶s̶ ̶w̶i̶t̶h̶i̶n̶ ̶i̶t̶ ̶(̶n̶o̶t̶ ̶t̶h̶a̶t̶ ̶w̶h̶i̶c̶h̶ ̶i̶t̶ ̶i̶n̶f̶e̶r̶s̶ ̶e̶x̶i̶s̶t̶s̶ ̶e̶x̶t̶e̶r̶n̶a̶l̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶i̶t̶,̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶w̶h̶i̶c̶h̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶c̶o̶n̶t̶e̶n̶t̶s̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶m̶i̶n̶d̶ ̶r̶e̶f̶e̶r̶ ̶t̶o̶)̶.̶ ̶A̶s̶ ̶s̶u̶c̶h̶,̶ ̶i̶t̶ ̶c̶a̶n̶ ̶l̶o̶c̶a̶t̶e̶ ̶i̶t̶s̶e̶l̶f̶ ̶e̶v̶e̶r̶y̶w̶h̶e̶r̶e̶ ̶w̶i̶t̶h̶i̶n̶ ̶i̶t̶s̶ ̶o̶w̶n̶ ̶p̶r̶o̶j̶e̶c̶t̶e̶d̶ ̶m̶i̶n̶d̶.̶
You're not even wrong , mind is a subset of what a individual posses.y you're so wromg that it's hilarious how you came to this conclusion with a buvh of ridiculous false premises. Mind IS located in your brain. Your brain is located in space. And SOMEWHERE.
Even IF , you could get outside your brain with your mind, you would STILL be located somewhere as long as you flow whatever you want with your mind, each place you go would be somewhere, never ANYWHERE or "EVERYWHERE", no one can be "everywhere", no matter where your mind go you subjectively is somewhere, at some point in time. So your comment is a logical impossility.
Subjectivey one's mind IS located in the brain, there is no "objectively"
I think you are wildly misreading what I am saying.
I have in no way said that the mind, or consciousness, or awareness, can or ever does leave the construct from which it arises, the brain. I never said it can become detached from the brain.
What I have been saying, needs to be understood from a certain perspective. If you currently identify your self with your brain, or your body, then this perspective is likely to and probably has completely gone over your head.
That’s the way identity works. It actually changes your perception of reality.
If you are identified with the body, as in, you, your very essence, is the body, then your understanding of what you fundamentally are, will be, the body.
But, if you inspect your own experience a little more, you might notice that your sense of having a body also appears within awareness. Furthermore, at night, when you dream, you are not your body, you might be identified as something completely different, your identity can shift, and sometimes, is completely absent, from a dream, yet, content still appears.
You need to inspect a little closer what it is you are when things start to be stripped away from your own subjective experience.
What is being pointed at, is that, you are, fundamentally, awareness, or consciousness. Without consciousness or awareness, you have no ability to inspect or identify yourself. If is the fundamental basis of subjective reality. It is the only way you can even know you have a body, or a brain. So, even though awareness needs the body and brain to be aware, without awareness, you have no knowledge of being a body or brain.
This interesting coupling, or interdependent arising, is the basis of our reality. I have in no way denied the existence of “physical” reality, nor of the brain and body being a necessary component of subjectivity and awareness, which is us.
What I am saying relates to the sense of identity.
Most people feel like they are the body, producing actions, having arguments, feeling emotions, reacting to their own emotions. They are heavily invested in the storyline and the narrative that their brains create, this is identification with the ego. It’s completely fine, but, it creates suffering. What they don’t realise is, this sense of awareness that seems to be off in the background somewhere while they are off in the foreground, pursuing all the things their brain throws at them, is actually the basis of what they are, like the screen which the contents of their life’s movie plays. The contents of the movie, continually changes, and, most of the time, they believe everything that happens on that screen, like a person engrossed in a movie.
Keep in mind that is an analogy, meant to draw your attention to the screen like nature of awareness, and the contents of awareness being like the movie on the screen.
When you start paying more attention to this screen like nature of awareness, it’s presence becomes more in the foreground than the contents on the screen. Then, as you notice everything appearing in the screen of awareness, it is LIKE location itself occurs WITHIN awareness.
From a naive realist perspective, this sounds absurd. The naive realist assumes that everything they see and touch, is direct contact with the world out there, not thinking about the mechanisms in the brain which are recreating and representing the “external” world, internally to awareness. Yet, once it’s understood that everything that appears in awareness is a representation, then, it is also known that everything that is ever seen occurs WITHIN awareness (not talking about the ACTUAL external world which we don’t actually have direct contact with).
Hopefully that clears up any confusion.
As to what you mean by other forums, I’m not sure, but if you have a problem with what I am saying here, then let’s talk about it here, and vice versa in other forums.