What is time?

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Dubious
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Re: What is time?

Post by Dubious » Sun Apr 14, 2019 9:28 pm

...a manifestation of process in which time grows space. Just mho on the matter which is also a manifestation of process. :lol:

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Re: What is time?

Post by gaffo » Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:09 am

Dontaskme wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:01 pm
Speakpigeon wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 8:12 am
What is time?

What it is which we measure with a clock.

Movement.

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yes

Justintruth
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Re: What is time?

Post by Justintruth » Mon Apr 15, 2019 11:45 am

....Does any of this proves time exists as such? ....
It may be that the notion of time itself is linked to certain categories of existence. Not all existence is temporal. The Pythagorean theorem is true and that is not an event that happened, happens, will happen, can cease to happen etc. It is outside of time.

The past too is, in a way, outside of time. It cannot be altered just added to.

But for things that are contingent, that could be or could not be, and for our existing, it is inherently temporal.

It seems that for time to exist it would have to exist within time which is sort of a loop. Better to say that for anything contingent to exist it must exist temporally, and that includes both regular and irregular existences, paused existences, cyclic existences, as well as nothing, here meaning a period of time where no contingent thing exists.

Time comes from the fact that to exist is a verb...something like that.

Our subjective notion of time is a contingent fact. If there were no contingent beings at all for a period of time then by hypothesis there would be only such a time.
Measuring time with a clock would be essentially providing a more convenient sequencing of our perception of the microstructure.....the thing supposedly measured by clocks, is a social construct, from which is derived time as a scientific concept...
The scientific definition of time and its instantiation in the various atomic clocks, observatories, and bearuas of standards is well established. It does not measure a social construct but defines a physical parameter that is used to define physical reality. For example, if the universe were to stop for a period of time the thing so measured would also stop and while by hypothesis there would be a duration, that duration would not be measurable in seconds as currently defined.
Clocks don't measure time. They tell time.
Unfortunately, I have to read mine.

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Re: What is time?

Post by AlexW » Mon Apr 15, 2019 11:38 pm

Speakpigeon wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 6:11 pm
It seems to me you're merely making the trivial distinction between thinking and perceiving and dressing this trivia with words like real life and map. Merely confusing.
How else do you think you can know reality if not via direct perception?
The key to understanding is not ruminating but living life attentively, conscious of thought and perception - the more conscious you are the more obvious it gets that there really is no such thing as perception, that the perceiver, perceiving and the perceived are one and that the distinctions are made/thought up.
Speakpigeon wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 6:11 pm
And I'm on record for saying we don't know anything about the material world.
Agree - how could we? We never experience a "material world" - you could say that "thought is matter" as matter "exists" only after interpreting experience in an objective way.
Speakpigeon wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 6:11 pm
So, I still don't see what's your point.
Haha... not sure if there is a point. Maybe to see that outside the map there is nothing to talk about, nothing to name, no separation...?

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Re: What is time?

Post by bahman » Sat Apr 20, 2019 8:54 pm

Speakpigeon wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 8:12 am
What is time?
Time is a substance which allows change to happen. Time also allows that events occur in specific order.
Speakpigeon wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 8:12 am
What it is which we measure with a clock.
An interval of time.

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